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Old 06-26-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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Mandela is/was a brave man with the strength of his convictions. He is a hero to the South African tribes, what more is there to say?

Not my country, not the policies of my government, (at this time), he is comparable to any of the revolutionary leaders of any country that brought about change for their people.

Not sure why so many are trying to bait and politisize here.
There is no baiting. conservatives always play this game. conservatives when it counted hated Nelson Mandela, they thought he was communist and labeled him a terrorist.

conservative hero and demi-god R. Reagan lifted sanctions against the south African racist regime and gave them money. R. Reagan labeled Mr. Mandela a terrorist. This was the conservative position in the 1980's regarding N. Mandela.

conservatives hated N. Mandela thought him to be a terrorist and supported the racist white supremacist regime of South Africa.

Now in the light of history and reality those previous conservative positions don't look so good, conservatives attempt to disappear their history.

It is very irritating.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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There is no baiting. conservatives always play this game. conservatives when it counted hated Nelson Mandela, they thought he was communist and labeled him a terrorist.

conservative hero and demi-god R. Reagan lifted sanctions against the south African racist regime and gave them money. R. Reagan labeled Mr. Mandela a terrorist. This was the conservative position in the 1980's regarding N. Mandela.

conservatives hated N. Mandela thought him to be a terrorist and supported the racist white supremacist regime of South Africa.

Now in the light of history and reality those previous conservative positions don't look so good, conservatives attempt to disappear their history.

It is very irritating.
By his own words Mandela admitted to human rights violations by the ANC and was indeed involved in attacks on civilians etc. but that was in a fight against and oppressive government.

So yeah, he was a terrorist and he was also a freedom fighter.

I personally don't fault him for his actions given what was going on in South Africa but it wasn't the armed struggle that ultimately ended apartheid it was exposing the injustice and world pressure.

To that point I hold him in less regard than MLK or Ghandi.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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cite please?


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conservatives hated Nelson Mandela and were on the side of the white supremacists in South Africa.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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By his own words Mandela admitted to human rights violations by the ANC and was indeed involved in attacks on civilians etc. but that was in a fight against and oppressive government.

So yeah, he was a terrorist and he was also a freedom fighter.

I personally don't fault him for his actions given what was going on in South Africa but it wasn't the armed struggle that ultimately ended apartheid it was exposing the injustice and world pressure.

To that point I hold him in less regard than MLK or Ghandi.
I don't care what you think of Mr. Mandela. They were fighting an unjust government. A brutally racist government.

Again Nelson Mandela was modern South Africa's founding father.

Yet conservative hero R. Reagan labeled him a terrorist and a communist. This view was 100% wrong. Did he advocate violence when he was elected President? No

Did he institute a communist economy? No

Did he encourage discrimination against those racist whites who benefitted and used brutal racism against black South Africans? No.

In a word, reality showed that Mr. Mandela was the exact opposite of the opinion of conservative demi-god R. Reagan. It proves that the conservative hatred for N. Mandela came from the same place that lead them to lift sanctions that Carter had enacted against the S. African government actively support the racist south african regime.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:33 PM
 
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So the thread title asks what people thought of Mandela.....and in a flash of keen insight you write....

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I don't care what you think of Mr. Mandela.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Nelson rebelled against the government. Adolf Hitler aspired to wipe out the Jewish population.
Actually, necklacing was used as a form of vigilante justice, where the mob acted as judge, jury and executioner.

Hitler believed he was in the right. So did Mandela. But the doesn't change the fact that innocent people died, in cruel and gruesome fashion. Did you know the first victim of necklacing was a young girl? How exactly was SHE the government?
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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cite please?
Not shockingly, that poster sourced from memory with quite a bit of partisan slant.

Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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There is no baiting. conservatives always play this game. conservatives when it counted hated Nelson Mandela, they thought he was communist and labeled him a terrorist.

conservative hero and demi-god R. Reagan lifted sanctions against the south African racist regime and gave them money. R. Reagan labeled Mr. Mandela a terrorist. This was the conservative position in the 1980's regarding N. Mandela.

conservatives hated N. Mandela thought him to be a terrorist and supported the racist white supremacist regime of South Africa.

Now in the light of history and reality those previous conservative positions don't look so good, conservatives attempt to disappear their history.

It is very irritating.
Our government thought him a terrorist.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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So the thread title asks what people thought of Mandela.....and in a flash of keen insight you write....
You are free to offer your opinion, but it is meaningless to me.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:41 PM
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Location: Mount Pleasant, SC
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You are free to offer your opinion, but it is meaningless to me.
So, you're really just on this thread to bait people?
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