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Old 06-30-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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Please, address where I was wrong.?
You havent been correct, beginning with your discussion that minorities cant stop bills from leaving committees, and continues onto the discussion that Congress ignores the committees
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Yes they can. Anything can be brought up as an amendment to any bill brought to the floor. The majority is going to get through committee what they want to get through.
You cant amend a bill that doesnt leave commiteee and never makes it to the floor
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All the same all it takes is one person to bring it to the floor as an amendment to another bill.
So everything to you should just become an amendment to everything else, and we should govern the nation by amendments? Thats ridiculous. At what point does a bill get to a vote if we're going to keep amending everything?
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Can someone introduce a banking reform as an amendment to another bill?
What bill do you think they should have amended?
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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People don't take responsiility for their mistakes because someone else said something at some point in time? Does that make sense to you? That's exactly the problem these days. When people are asked to man up and admit they were wrong, they always deflect and say something like "how about the Dems", or "how about what Romer said in 2009".
You can only move forward if you acknowledge the wrong-doing of the past. It's why so many want to forget the past because it totally and utterly destroys their path forward.

You can start in the early 90's with the FR's admonishment of "red-lining" which ultimately opened up the flood gates to requiring nothing to get loans of hundreds of thousands of dollars for homes. You can find that in "Closing the Gap" which spells it out very clearly. You can then further find the evidence of what occured by the lambasting of banks for "discriminating" and outcrys of racism because banks wouldn't loan money without down payments, proof of jobs for any length of time and having any sort of capital to garnish if defaulted.

I'm not ignoring Bush's role in the housing crisis. But it's an outright lie that nothing was ever proposed to try to curb those practices. Was it the right legislation? Probably not. Was it an attempt? Yes. That's not even something the scumbag democrats can say they even tried before the crisis.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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The U.S. Government was explicitly complicit in what Countrywide and the other banks did, beginning at least in 2000, and most likely earlier.

Read my earlier post in this thread for more info:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/30259746-post19.html
Good luck. These well intentioned good people all the sudden find themselves hard of hearing when facts oppose their dyed-in-the-wool beliefs.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:21 PM
 
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You cant amend a bill that doesnt leave commiteee and never makes it to the floor
Ah yes, the old change what someone said into something else so you can argue against it.

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So everything to you should just become an amendment to everything else, and we should govern the nation by amendments? Thats ridiculous. At what point does a bill get to a vote if we're going to keep amending everything?

What bill do you think they should have amended?
Clue: You do not answer a question with a question. Just answer the question or admit you are wrong or just bow out of the discussion.

Can someone introduce a banking reform as an amendment to another bill?
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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Obama is a Fabian

The first step in any Socialist plan is the reform of capitalism, when the capitalist system is sufficiently neutralized the rest comes relatively easy. The first step to an efficient plan of capitalist neutralization is control over the money supply and for that a central bank is required along with a fiat monetary system.

The government is assuming more and more responsibility for and authority over the economy, all under the guise of protecting the people from potentially unscrupulous free marketeers. We are being moved yet another step closer to the dream-society of the Fabians. Of course, these are simply steps, essential parts to a much broader agenda, one that is authoritarian in nature and execution, even the centrally planned economy
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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Barack Obama, Fabian Socialist

1. Strong, centralized government.

2. Powerful Executive at the expense of Congress and the Judicial.

3. Government controlled banking, credit and securities exchange.

4. Government control over employment.

5. Unemployment insurance, old age pensions.

6. Universal medical care, food and housing programs.

7. Access to unlimited government borrowing.

8. A managed monetary system.

9. Government control over foreign trade.

10. Government control over natural energy sources, transportation and agricultural production.

11. Government regulation of labor.

12. Youth camps devoted to health discipline, community service and ideological teaching consistent with those of the authorities.

13. Heavy progressive taxation.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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Right, you can't. You are dismissed as insignificant in this conversation.
Dismissed for what? I'm suppose to be arguing against your illogical fallacy and wild dreams?
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:38 PM
 
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Dismissed for what? I'm suppose to be arguing against your illogical fallacy and wild dreams?
yes, he did the same thing to me above to the point one couldnt have a conversation with him..
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:59 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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You didn't. You quoted what you think are contradictions based upon your viewpoint.
which makes them contradictions, are you claiming they arent, then explain why they arent.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:00 PM
Status: "everybody getting reported now.." (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The video I showed was the CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS in 2003 discussing the mortgage industry and how Democrats ridiculed that reforms were needed.
Your video shows a time when Dems were not even in control of congress, your own words blame Dems while they were in the minority.

you #FAIL, simple as that.
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