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Old 06-30-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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All of these efforts and supposed internet spying, and no one caught when the bombing jihadist brothers downloaded the Al Qaeda instructional magazine? After Russia had warned us?
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:12 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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All of these efforts and supposed internet spying, and no one caught when the bombing jihadist brothers downloaded the Al Qaeda instructional magazine? After Russia had warned us?
That's the point. Most of the spying is not to fight terrorism, but simply in the name of corporations, i.e. industrial espionage. That is why US secret services are so busy in Germany, reading and listening in to 500m communications per month.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:22 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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The Europeans are being weak. They should give Snowden asylum in appreciation of the information.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:26 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The Europeans are being weak. They should give Snowden asylum in appreciation of the information.
Yes, they are still a bit naive, still sucking up to Obama because he has such a nice smile and even comes from an oppressed minority
I wish Europeans would grow some balls, like Ecuador or Russia...
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:31 AM
 
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Read more: NSA Bugged European Union Offices, Computer Networks: Report


Is this supposed to be part of Obama's "hope and change"?

Should Obama face any criticism for enforcing a policy of Bush, which he condemned?

How will the liberals and progressives defend Obama on this?
Obama promised to shut down all of our intelligence gathering agencies? I must have missed that.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: texas
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Is this supposed to be part of Obama's "hope and change"?

Should Obama face any criticism for enforcing a policy of Bush, which he condemned?

How will the liberals and progressives defend Obama on this?
You seem to be having a problem underatnding that the NSA listens to everyone.

Adding another group to the list shows you haven't a clue.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:37 AM
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You seem to be having a problem underatnding that the NSA listens to everyone.
No it doesn't, not all were watched.

The only countries exempt from the surveillance attacks were Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand.

US taps half-billion German phone and internet activities a month ? report ? RT News
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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'Out of Control': Europe Furious over NSA Spying on EU Facilities
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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So, you trust a German source that sites no sources over our president? Niiiiiiiiiice!
Sure, why not? Especially compared to Western European governments, U.S. government has shown again and again it has no trouble lying to American citizens about secret activities and getting involved in clandestine affairs, encroaching on civil liberties, and generally stirring up trouble. People can say what they want about policies of countries like Germany, France, The Netherlands, etc., but whether you agree with them or not they are done in the light of day and citizens of those countries are aware of what is going on, at least relative to how much Americans know about what are elected officials and their appointees are up to.

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No it doesn't, not all were watched.

The only countries exempt from the surveillance attacks were Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand.

US taps half-billion German phone and internet activities a month ? report ? RT News
LOL - and those would have been the easiest countries to eaves drop on because they are all English speakers! Of course, I know that there is no trouble interpreting foreign languages. It is interesting though that those were the countries exempted. If nothing else, it is small surprise that we (in the 'official' sense) have the strongest ties to other countries that share the same language.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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The more people that get pissed over this unwarranted, paranoid spying the better off we will be.

Odds changing: Our freedoms can survive Obama
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