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Old 06-30-2013, 11:03 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Glad your happy. Some of that money could have gone to help the poor in NOLA but to heck with those people.
Obama needs it to send to Africa. You'll see a Africa Surcharge starting on your Oct bill.
Thanks for paying.
You're welcome.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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China has been making deals in Africa and the US has not with any fervor until this week. It's hard to say how much American advantage the Chinese have chopped away because the Administration has ignored the region.

Losing Africa to China is also not a good thing to include in his library.
Ahhh, someone is paying attention. Add Russia as they have had a foot in Africa.

Obama slams unfair deals with Africa | News24

$7 billion is a drop in the bucket once the US corporations start to reap the rewards and pay taxes as a result of the deals that Obama has made in Africa for US corporations to set up business there. Africa sits on huge natural resources and minerals. US companies want to get a foot in the door to extract those natural resources and minerals to be exported, some of which will be exported to be refined and sold back to Africa. Obama thinks this is a winner, gaining a new trade partner that the US can sell "all kinds of good stuff" to the people. He's going to be quite the job creator for Africa. I bet the Africans can't wait to go from earning nothing or $150 a month, to earning $200 a month.

Goodwill tour or a deal making tour serving the interests of corporate America? Can only wonder how much of Obama's personal wealth will be invested in the US corporations that will be setting up business in Africa.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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If you got the idea that I was defending the action, I wasn't. I was speculating because someone asked why he would do that, and the answers that some were providing were unsatisfactory to me.

I figured his action was a cause for his legacy in Africa, and a cause for economic competition. I also, figured that, if called on it, he would defend it as an investment with much more benefit to this nation than the cost. Of course, I can't read his mind, so it is pure speculation.

I don't support or reject the action until I get more information, but I am worried about the inroads China has been making in markets all over the planet while we have been preoccupied with war and economic turmoil.
What country thought it was a good idea to support and build China's economy?? If the US doesn't like that China is becoming a powerhouse, it only has itself to blame for giving China the power.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:27 PM
 
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If the President didn't pledge anything in Africa, you Regressives would be complaining about that. If he pledged less, you'd be complaining that he didn't pledge enough. The Conservative narrative continues to be a reflection of the inferiority of the Republican view. Worthless and short-sighted. You can't win elections, can't run an economy, don't know how to benefit the infrastructure, don't know how to create jobs for Americans, only protect the rich, are clueless about civil rights, health care, the environment, and so forth. This is a good move by the President. You clueless Pubs don't give a damn about Africa or African-Americans.

Stand aside and leave these matters to your more enlightened superiors. That's President Obama and his administration...and don't you forget it either.

The first paragraph of your post reflects statements related to both Republicans and Democrats. They're both the same. Two sides of the same coin. If you haven't learned that yet, you will some day.

As far as "your more enlightened superiors," you will have to become "enlightened" yourself, if you really believe that Obama and his administration are enlightened. They are corrupt and dark. Period. Just like the administration before his was, and after his will be.

Good luck with lying to yourself.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:28 PM
 
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Meanwhile he is following through on his promise to make our bills skyrocket in the old USofA. What a leader.

(CNN) -- U.S. President Barack Obama pledged $7 billion Sunday to help combat frequent power blackouts in sub-Saharan Africa.
Funds from the initiative, dubbed Power Africa, will be distributed over the next five years. Obama made the announcement during his trip to South Africa, the continent's biggest economy.
"Access to electricity is fundamental to opportunity in this age. It's the light that children study by, the energy that allows an idea to be transformed into a real business. It's the lifeline for families to meet their most basic needs, and it's the connection that's needed to plug Africa into the grid of the global economy," he said.

Obama pledges $7 billion to upgrade power in Africa - CNN.com
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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We're not in the middle of a recession. Reducing HIV is good for all of mankind, including the US.
so we are not in a recession? are you high? and why doesn't China or India or Russia bother helping? why is it that debt ridden America must shoulder these non-responsibilities? if its good for everyone why cant everyone chip in?
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:35 PM
 
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CNN- The preliminary setup will include Ethiopia, Kenya, Liberia, Nigeria, Tanzania, Uganda and Mozambique.

I'm sure President Obama means well; however, this fund, if not provided through direct building or upgrading of already existing electricity infrastructure, will only enrich leaders in Nigeria. I speak mainly of Nigeria here.

I'm not sure the problem Nigeria has concerning poor electricity generation is financial, maybe for a country like Liberia it is, but certainly not for Nigeria.

Others on this forum, who live in countries where electricity is not an issue can't imagine the pain and frustration of living with little or no electricity. But, it's not the problem of the American government. Yet again, it's commendable for President Obama to make this pledge at this time; whether or not he is black. One only hopes that in Nigeria, this aid is put to good use.
You really think that the deals he made in Africa are for humanitarian purposes? If so, you are beyond naïve. The US has been giving aid to African countries for decades and nothing - I mean nothing - went to the country or the people. It was delivered to the powers that be and was meant to keep ties with those countries, no different that we did with Egypt and continue to do so. Those payoffs to African countries have succeeded. Obama has represented corporate America to get a foot into these countries.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:03 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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promising oceans of cash to corrupt governments has kept the current admin in power for a second term.
Hey, it worked for Bushka!
How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish | World news | The Guardian

Missing $6.6 Billion In Iraq: In The Bank All This TIme | Mediaite
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:25 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Meanwhile he is following through on his promise to make our bills skyrocket in the old USofA. What a leader.

(CNN) -- U.S. President Barack Obama pledged $7 billion Sunday to help combat frequent power blackouts in sub-Saharan Africa.
Funds from the initiative, dubbed Power Africa, will be distributed over the next five years. Obama made the announcement during his trip to South Africa, the continent's biggest economy.
"Access to electricity is fundamental to opportunity in this age. It's the light that children study by, the energy that allows an idea to be transformed into a real business. It's the lifeline for families to meet their most basic needs, and it's the connection that's needed to plug Africa into the grid of the global economy," he said.

Obama pledges $7 billion to upgrade power in Africa - CNN.com
This unfortunately is not surprising. These politicians think of it as THEIR money, not the people's. remember when bush promised $15 billion to Africa to combat AIDS?
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:49 AM
 
Location: South Africa
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The last white chairman of the power utility here Eskom, Dr Ian Marais already had extensive plans in place for a sub saharan grid uniting all regions and a way of upliftment of the poor. He was the same man that fostered the electrification for all in SA. They had approached the world bank for financing; didn't happen.

Then the ANC took over and implemented AA and BEE and the dream died c1994. It was also the year the New Works Division was closed down and we all had to seek other areas with in the organisation for employment or take a severance package.

In the 80s and 90s when we were building power stations, one unit cost between 1.2 and 1.6 billion US dollars, most of our stations are six packs. Today, 7Bn would not get two units built, then you have the added costs of distribution infrastructure (power lines) It is not like simply making a tee junction to an existing line. The lines run 100-300+ km to the central distribution centre in Johannesburg. From there all power is redistributed on secondary lines (lower voltages)

Well the electrification for all was great. All the blacks have free electricity as they never pay their bills, pre paid is optional here, and their black corrupt brothers in municipalities don't switch them off. Even if they did, they would merely run an extension to their neighbor's house who also is not paying their bills.

10 years ago we had to start bring mothballed inefficient stations back on line requiring huge upgrades in controls as the old stuff was old school and all those folk are now retired (instrumentation). About 5 years ago, our wonderful gubmint started supplying Zimbabwe with power at the expense of SA consumers that had to tolerate frequent black outs.

And guess what? Zimbabwe never paid their account either. The government was forced to stop supplying Zim and now Zims are the ones having to tolerate daily power outs.

And our wonderful AA and BEE jobs for mates programs have ensure diddly squat gets maintained; so that leaves many places in the cities w/o power for sometimes weeks. Simple things like supply/demand and capacity are not understood by "city planners" who are also part of the jobs for mates program and is akin to simply do this on a bigger scale



Transformers blow up and of course we all know this is a stock item somewhere - not! (they have to be built on order btw)

(Live) cables are regularly stolen by the other black enterprises to be sold for scrap, not part of the jobs for mates program but kissing cousins nonetheless.

And this is SA where there is some "semblance of law" ROTFLMAO. Just imagine how efficient it will be say in Mozambique, Angola Malawi et al.

The USA will not be supplying cable as we make our own here thanks to whities that still run that industry. The only thing to be imported is technology as the jobs for mates club have no frigging clue how to build a power station.

In my lil hick town, we have had street lights out for over three years. They cannot even replace the lamps as their cherry picker is always broken. When whites ruled, the artisans fixed the cherry picker themselves. Now it has to go out on tender as many of the "new artisans" were semi skilled helpers/assistants in the old days.

Yup, send them some 7bn, it will create a batch of new jobs for mates all with Beamers and Mercs and SUVs and Audis. Hell they won't even buy your American cars like a Chrysler LoL.

Two years ago, they were constructing a new toll road (±30km), well actually an upgrade, all roads upgraded now become toll roads, there are no brand new roads being constructed. Anyway, there is this previously disadvantaged road inspektah with an orange beacon on his roof, the car? A Mercedes S500



What a practical car for inspecting road construction where most of the route was gravel deviations. Low profile alloy wheels and all. But back in the bad old days, the poor white sod who was teh gubmint inspector had to make do with a diesel pick up and usually did not even have air con. Hell we call them bakkies which is a derivative of the word bucket. But then, this road they were building, would have been completed in a third of the time. Its been 6 years now and it is still not finished.

So to coin a phase, all the above "your "tax dollars" at work.

I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that if SA had oil reserves here, there would have been zero pressure to change our old ways. But then again, you might have invaded and occupied us too. Perhaps not as we did have some really fancy weaponry back then that we built ourselves.

We do have about 500 years of coal reserves and 90% of what is mined is being exported, you guessed it China and to a lesser extent Europe.



Lastly, b/c the US has disinvested post apartheid but still control a lot of the mineral wealth by proxy, 7Bn is a gesture (read:bribery) to appease the jobs for mates fellas "in charge" All you need to become a politician in Africa is a criminal record, if you do not have one, they will help you get one rather quickly.

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