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Old 07-01-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Also a lie: Trayvon said "you got me."
How do you know what Trayvon said ?

GZ has said several times that after the shot, Trayvon set back and said something to the effect that "OK you got it" or "OK you got me".

 
Old 07-01-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Hope we get to see this drawing in evidence. I am very interested in seeing it as there has been so much speculation on where Zimmerman did and did not go that night (e.g. down the dog alley or not).
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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According to GZ, TM asked GZ..."Do you have a problem?"

...and GZ still did not take the opportunity to tell TM who he was and why he was keeping TM under surveillance? What a dunce! It is dangerous to give dumbed down people a sense of authority/power as they do not have the common sense to use it logically.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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It was the inoperable flashlight that shone on the body of evidence repositioned..
The shining.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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There is no way you can prove Martin attempted to murder him....and I an 99.9% positive that Martin did not have any intention on doing so.

But NOT A SINGLE PERSON in this world can determine whether Zimmerman, at that very moment, feared for his life or not. If he was in fact getting pummeled....who is to say he WASN'T?
Zimmerman is a PERSON. He says he knows what happens. So, according to your assertion, Zimmerman could get on the witness stand and tell the jury directly what happened. Why would you suggest or think that he not do that?
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:03 AM
 
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Not a lie yet. You're assuming tm died immediately. Did you stay at a Medical Examiner's house last night.
The bullet pierced Trayvon's lung, and his heart. The heart would stop beating, his lungs would flood with blood and he would basically suffocate on his own blood. Based on what I understand about physiology, death is pretty well instantaneous. You would not be able to speak after this, to my knowledge. At different times he also says Trayvon sat up and said that. You definitely would not be able to sit up after this type of mortal injury. My understanding is you might stay alive for a few seconds, but you would be immobilized and not be able to speak. But I will be interested to hear what the medical examiner says because this is an important point.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Hope we get to see this drawing in evidence. I am very interested in seeing it as there has been so much speculation on where Zimmerman did and did not go that night (e.g. down the dog alley or not).
I would too. When did the interview we're now listening to take place? The night of the shooting? It seems to follow what he stated in the reenactment quite well. But the map/drawing could blow that out of the water.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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I would too. When did the interview we're now listening to take place? The night of the shooting? It seems to follow what he stated in the reenactment quite well. But the map/drawing could blow that out of the water.
Yes, this is after he was brought to the station that night.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The bullet pierced Trayvon's lung, and his heart. The heart would stop beating, his lungs would flood with blood and he would basically suffocate on his own blood. Based on what I understand about physiology, death is pretty well instantaneous. You would not be able to speak after this, to my knowledge. At different times he also says Trayvon sat up and said that. You definitely would not be able to sit up after this type of mortal injury. My understanding is you might stay alive for a few seconds, but you would be immobilized and not be able to speak. But I will be interested to hear what the medical examiner says because this is an important point.

I can't speak for humans. But I have shot game with heart/lung shots. They did not die immediately, and often can travel considerable distance. A 9mm handgun doesn't cause a lot of hydrostatic shock like a high powered rifle bullet, and the damage is more in like with an archery (arrow) shot than a rifle bullet. I have also watched several ACTUAL shooting videos as part of some CCW courses. Not Hollywood movie crap. I have never seen a chest/torso shot cause immediate death in any of these. Our CCW instructor advises shooting above the "nipple line" or "armpit line". In addition to vital organs, there are a great number of nerves and "spinal connections" (med professional can probably come up with a better term) that will be more effective for an immediate stop to a threat.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:11 AM
 
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I would too. When did the interview we're now listening to take place? The night of the shooting? It seems to follow what he stated in the reenactment quite well. But the map/drawing could blow that out of the water.
There is an absence of concrete evidence that Zimmie's wounds came from anything but his flaccid flashlight.
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