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Old 07-02-2013, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I saw those threads, and I am not seeking "answers", but discussion, and I am comparing this case to the recent Zimmerman case, in light of what has emerged in that trial.

She had much stronger grounds for self-defense than Zimmerman, including the fact that her husband had previous convictions for domestic violence, unlike Trayvon Martin who was an innocent boy. And yet she was still prosecuted and is going to spend 20 years in prison.

She is black, she is a victim of domestic violence. I think this is a travesty of injustice.

This thread is for discussion and comparison of both cases, because I raised this issue in the Zimmerman thread, and was told it was off-topic, so I am posting my own topic.
There is no comparison and it's not racial.

Looks like it's something you will have to accept and move on.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:49 AM
 
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I thought it was a dog leash? Either way...this case went totally under the radar...

And where were the anti-gun nuts outrage?
I think I remember that case, that was a couple years ago I believe. And I remember thinking it was a bunch of BS at the time.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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You are seeing the reasoning behind this, right? Let's see, black kid unarmed is murdered, it's justifiable. Black woman fires warning shot instead of murdering, justifiable to toss her in jail.
Twisting the facts. Man is assaulted by a punk teen who knocks him to the ground, breaks his nose, and continues bashing his head - gets shot in self-defense, before he can kill the man. End of story. bad guy dead. The rest is all politics.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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I thought it was a dog leash? Either way...this case went totally under the radar...

And where were the anti-gun nuts outrage?
He had his dog and a leash, the shooter claimed he had a pipe to police.

Shot him out his car window.....

I guess rolling up his window was too much effort.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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I think I remember that case, that was a couple years ago I believe. And I remember thinking it was a bunch of BS at the time.
Hey look they finally got around to charging Adkins shooter 3 months after the fact.

Daniel Adkins Killing: Murder or "Self Defense"? - Phoenix - News - Valley Fever

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Jude told police that he shot Adkins after he took another swing at him with the pipe -- which no one else ever saw, and again, police never found -- using a pistol he had been carrying in his lap.

Jude told the cops he felt that he was in some sort of danger -- he also had his 8-months-pregnant girlfriend in the passenger seat -- but said that he never felt that their lives were in danger.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Hey look they finally got around to charging Adkins shooter 3 months after the fact.

Daniel Adkins Killing: Murder or "Self Defense"? - Phoenix - News - Valley Fever
ehhhh....

Yea, him being in the car was trump here. I could see on foot...plus the dude had a dog. And the breed would have some serious impact on this judgment. But he was in a car...kind of hard to argue that this dude just didn't want to plug somebody and chomped at the bit.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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I saw those threads, and I am not seeking "answers", but discussion, and I am comparing this case to the recent Zimmerman case, in light of what has emerged in that trial.

She had much stronger grounds for self-defense than Zimmerman, including the fact that her husband had previous convictions for domestic violence, unlike Trayvon Martin who was an innocent boy. And yet she was still prosecuted and is going to spend 20 years in prison.

She is black, she is a victim of domestic violence. I think this is a travesty of injustice.

This thread is for discussion and comparison of both cases, because I raised this issue in the Zimmerman thread, and was told it was off-topic, so I am posting my own topic.
1. The very article you linked to showed a white guy that got the same sentence for similar circumstances.

2. She went to HIS residence, got in an argument, went outside and got her gun and then went back into the residence and shot.

3. She was offered multiple plea deals, refused them and the sentence was mandatory, not harshly dealt out due to pigmentation.

Most people in the article including the judge also disagreed with the sentencing. The problem here is minimum sentencing, what she did was absolutely wrong but should have carried a much lesser penalty like probation.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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ehhhh....

Yea, him being in the car was trump here. I could see on foot...plus the dude had a dog. And the breed would have some serious impact on this judgment. But he was in a car...kind of hard to argue that this dude just didn't want to plug somebody and chomped at the bit.
Yeah, it was a golden retriever that just sat there by the body until police arrived.

The guy hung himself with his own comments to police about not feeling in danger etc.

Why it took 3 months is mind-boggling....unless you figure that politicians met quietly and got the OK that jailing this guy wouldn't get them in trouble with the Stand your ground crowd.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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Hey look they finally got around to charging Adkins shooter 3 months after the fact.

Daniel Adkins Killing: Murder or "Self Defense"? - Phoenix - News - Valley Fever
Jeez, about time.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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Dude...it's an effort in futility trying to get through to the OP.

It was pointed out in several articles and another thread in detail why this woman had no right to SYG. And it just zings off of her.

You couldn't put a point on a nail and hammer it into her brain
And you're a rude bully.
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