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Case for what? If you want to know what the statement said, read it for yourself.
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This entire thread has not seen one person offer a compelling argument, all we have seen is inflated rhetoric and silly statements like this law will "interferes with the doctor/patient relationship" so tell us how it interferes. How does waving an ultrasound wand over a woman's belly interferes.
Oh, I see. You don't understand the meaning of words. See if this helps: If a doctor conducts an ultrasound because he sees the need, that's fine. If he does it when there is no need but instead because of laws passed by freedom-hating crybabies who think of women as chattel, then those right wingers are interfering. If you have your dolls laid out how you like for your tea party and I come along and move them, I have interfered with your tea party. Do you understand what "interferes" means now? I hope so. I won't explain again.
As for compelling arguments, we're dealing with Texas Republicans. I fail to see how giving them their way can result in anything good.
At this point the self-inflicted damage has been done by the GOP so I'm pleased with that. The legal challenges to the legislation will be interesting to follow.
The crux of this bill is claims by proponents that these abortion restrictions are necessary for the health and safety of the women seeking abortions. The problem is that abortion procedures are already very safe. The morbidity and mortality statistics on women seeking abortion proves this, and proponents of SB 5 simply ignore.
In 2007, most (62.3%) abortions were performed at ≤8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.5%
were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation. Few abortions (7.2%) were performed at
14—20 weeks’ gestation, and 1.3% were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. During
1998—2007, the percentage of abortions performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation
remained stable; however, abortions performed at ≥16 weeks’ gestation decreased
by 13%—14%, and among the abortions performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation, the
percentage performed at ≤6 weeks’ gestation increased 65%.
That’s out of a total of 827,609 abortions reported to CDC. A total of six women who died as a result of having an abortion procedure. Six. That translates in to a rate of one fatality in more than 137,000 procedures.
For comparison, the fatality rate in natural childbirth or cesarians is 12.7 per 100,000 in 2010, which is 13 times higher!
What about cosmetic surgery? The safety statistics are not even anywhere close, and many of those procedures are done outside of hospitals. Cosmetic surgery death rates are about 20 times greater at 19.1 per 100,000.
If Perry and the Texas GOP were really interested in womens’ health and safety, they’d be looking to shut down cosmetic surgeons and tightening restrictions on hospitals and other medical centers to get the rates down.
The crux of this bill is claims by proponents that these abortion restrictions are necessary for the health and safety of the women seeking abortions. The problem is that abortion procedures are already very safe. The morbidity and mortality statistics on women seeking abortion proves this, and proponents of SB 5 simply ignore.
That’s out of a total of 827,609 abortions reported to CDC. A total of six women who died as a result of having an abortion procedure. Six. That translates in to a rate of one fatality in more than 137,000 procedures.
For comparison, the fatality rate in natural childbirth or cesarians is 12.7 per 100,000 in 2010, which is 13 times higher!
What about cosmetic surgery? The safety statistics are not even anywhere close, and many of those procedures are done outside of hospitals. Cosmetic surgery death rates are about 20 times greater at 19.1 per 100,000.
If Perry and the Texas GOP were really interested in womens’ health and safety, they’d be looking to shut down cosmetic surgeons and tightening restrictions on hospitals and other medical centers to get the rates down.
Don't waste your time, Zimbochick. I have learned that the right wingers here do not acknowledge expert opinions as such if those opinions don't support current Republican dogma. .
Let's be fair here. Most people reject expert opinions that contradict their own viewpoints, regardless of how they vote. The real fun begins when there are multiple "expert opinions" that differ.
That's because they assume, like sensible people who are not governed by a belief in a mythical being, that doctors being better at medical decisions than anyone else simply goes without saying.
Extend those sentiments to the energy industry - coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear...
My point is that it's hypocritical of liberals to supposedly turn their back on safety when the industries on their team is at stake. But when it's the coal industry, then it's OK to regulate them out of existence.
With libs - it's all about the team - it's all about defeating conservatives. Giving a baby a lethal injection (similar to a criminal) and having a dead baby in a toilet - perfectly OK for you and long as you are winning.
With libs - it's all about the team - it's all about defeating conservatives. Giving a baby a lethal injection (similar to a criminal) and having a dead baby in a toilet - perfectly OK for you and long as you are winning.
What a hateful thing to say. Not to mention blatantly untrue.
Wow. Just wow. Just when I thought I'd seen the worst of C-D.
Extend those sentiments to the energy industry - coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear...
My point is that it's hypocritical of liberals to supposedly turn their back on safety when the industries on their team is at stake. But when it's the coal industry, then it's OK to regulate them out of existence.
Please see my post above, this bill has nothing to do with safety.
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With libs - it's all about the team - it's all about defeating conservatives. Giving a baby a lethal injection (similar to a criminal) and having a dead baby in a toilet - perfectly OK for you and long as you are winning.
Are you opposed to abortion under all circumstances?
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