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Old 01-26-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Nope but when they rule the governments actions were unconstitutional there is going to be no desire to punish either Manning or Snowden.
They broke the law. Even if it is shown that the government acted incorrectly, Manning and Snowden went about it the wrong way, and that is why they are (or should be) punished. There is the right way, and the wrong way to do things, and they chose the wrong way. Handing classified information over to the Chinese and Russians is the wrong way, no matter how what they intentions were.
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Old 01-26-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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They broke the law.
I still haven't seen you advocate for charges against Clapper. He broke the law.

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Even if it is shown that the government acted incorrectly, Manning and Snowden went about it the wrong way, and that is why they are (or should be) punished. There is the right way, and the wrong way to do things, and they chose the wrong way. Handing classified information over to the Chinese and Russians is the wrong way, no matter how what they intentions were.
As has been pointed out many times, Snowden had no choice. The Clappers would still be lying to us under oath if not for his actions. As for the rest, it's pure conjecture on your part. For someone that argues for the law you don't seem to support it.
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Old 01-26-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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As has been pointed out many times, Snowden had no choice. The Clappers would still be lying to us under oath if not for his actions. As for the rest, it's pure conjecture on your part. For someone that argues for the law you don't seem to support it.
Of course he had a choice. What makes you think spilling classified material to the Chinese was his only choice?
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Old 01-26-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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Of course he had a choice. What makes you think spilling classified material to the Chinese was his only choice?
I have no obligation to comment on your conjecture. I'll also note, no comment on Clapper. Clapper admitted he lied under oath.

Being the "least untruthful" answer is still perjury.
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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They broke the law. Even if it is shown that the government acted incorrectly, Manning and Snowden went about it the wrong way, and that is why they are (or should be) punished. There is the right way, and the wrong way to do things, and they chose the wrong way. Handing classified information over to the Chinese and Russians is the wrong way, no matter how what they intentions were.
The right way would have been to rewrite the laws then hand it off to a bought and paid for politician to pass it. Isn't that how it is done in this country?

You can't break any laws when you get to write your own before hand.

Besides, were all Globalists Now. Nationalism is dead when the interests of a few outweigh the interests of the whole nation that are doing business under the Communist Chinese Government.
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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I still haven't seen you advocate for charges against Clapper. He broke the law.



As has been pointed out many times, Snowden had no choice. The Clappers would still be lying to us under oath if not for his actions. As for the rest, it's pure conjecture on your part. For someone that argues for the law you don't seem to support it.
Snowden had a choice. He could have chosen not to violate law.

He chose to break the law, why he ran to avoid prosecution. Which is another felony, by the way.
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:23 PM
 
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Snowden had a choice. He could have chosen not to violate law.

He chose to break the law, why he ran to avoid prosecution. Which is another felony, by the way.
Your complaints ring hollow. So did Clapper with the approval of his superiors. If he hadn't lied Snowden wouldn't have had to expose the lies.
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:24 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Well, Alger Hiss was misunderstood, too.

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Old 01-26-2014, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Snowden had a choice. He could have chosen not to violate law.

He chose to break the law, why he ran to avoid prosecution. Which is another felony, by the way.
Indeed. He had plenty of choices, and he chose poorly.

I wonder if Putin will let Snowden light the Olympic fire .
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Old 01-26-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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Your complaints ring hollow. So did Clapper with the approval of his superiors. If he hadn't lied Snowden wouldn't have had to expose the lies.
This is not about Clapper.

Its about Snowden who violated black letter law.
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