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Old 07-17-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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I can state without reservation or hesitation that such brothels do exist, however, there are two groups of people who are attracted to animals this way, one is known as "bestialists" and the other as "zoophiles" and while both groups do have relations with animals there is a wall of difference between the two.

The bestialists are akin to rapists, they use an animal and don't care one bit about them, much like meat eaters and livestock ranchers, this is the type who would go to such an animal brothel.

The zoophile considers animals their equal partner, not a subservient, not a slave, not a "pet" but more like a spouse in a marriage.
The ones who make the news after being arrested for sneaking into a barn at 3 AM and injuring horses during sex are not zoophiles they are bestialists and zoophiles disdain this kind of person and their activities.

Totally false, but before I explain further I'll put this out: What activities do humans ever do to animals where humans sought out or obtained consent from the animal in the first place?
Do dairy cattle "consent" to being jammed into stalls, force bred with artificial insemination to keep them pregnant all year so they produce milk the owner sells?
Do sows consent to being jammed into gestation crates they can't turn around in? Has any rancher, farmer, livestock dealer, slaughterhouse, meat packing plant, race track etc ever asked any animal for permission and consent to do anything to them, including killing them?

The answer of course is No, yet, amazingly people seem to live in this fantasy world of hypocracy where somehow sex is different and therefore mysteriously humans need consent from that cow!
On the other hand, when faced with the rebuttal about cows, pigs, sheep, goats etc v/s horses and dogs, the same people scream "but thats different, we raise those animals to eat them!

Yeah, real different tell that to the cow getting her throat cut and then think about how "different" that is from sex when killing the cow is legal but sex isn't, yet the meat packing plant always results in death!
Anyone who has ever seen pictures or videos of stallion breeding, quickly figures out the stallion's member is about the size and length of an adult man's- arm and that veterinarians and breeders routinely insert their gloved arm into mares for obtaining culture samples, palpating, and for breeding with A.I. yet amazingly you will have us believe a man's puny six incher is somehow going to "injure" "tear" or "abuse" her when she is built to take something the size of a man's arm and would barely even notice the man's puny member at all.

Now mind you, there are sadistic bestialists who injure mares on purpose, they are called zoosadists, they actually enjoy hurting the animal, that does not meet the definition of what a zoophile is or what the word zoo (animal) phile (lover) means or stands for. The zoosadist is the one who injures horses in a barn and is often arrested and winds up in the news arrested for "bestiality"


Defenseless animals? have you ever tried to do something to a 1500 pound horse who doesn't like what you are doing? every year scores of people are injured and even killed by horses (as well as dogs) one kick by a horse can shatter a man's leg like glass and for the most part standing behind a horse is the most dangerous place to be yet I don't know of and never heard of any zoophiles (real ones) who have been injured by their horse.

Consider horses, dogs, or other domesticated animals. Especially consider horses or dogs, both are comparatively intelligent animals, both most certainly can complain; and both can harm a human if they want to. Especially a horse.

If you kick a dog, I assure you they will let you know they did not like it. With vocalizations such as growling or whining, by running away or going into a defensive posture. If a horse doesn't really like what you're doing they will let you know as well. When people brand animals they tie them up, even when you see breedings of mares on youtube you'll notice everyone has hardhats on usually, tall boots, and you'll see almost always at least three idiots with ropes, and a mare whose back legs are tied with rope so she can't kick the stallion, and even then they are clearly forcing her to be raped by the stallion.

How is it then, a zoophile can approach her sexually, no ropes, no restraints, alone, and engage in sex! must be she is CONSENTING to that

Every pet owner on the planet will testify to communication with their pets, especially with the intelligent well adapted ones like horses or dogs. They will report far more complex communications than yes or no.

So in conclusion animals are hardly defenseless, in actuality owners simply know how to avoid offending their animals to such a degree that they start to use force; and yet still you can find plenty of examples each year of people pushing an animal too far and getting injured or killed for it despite knowing the animal for a long time.


Zoophiles for the most part (I mean vast majority) do not use nor need physical force. There are no ropes, no muzzles, etc... the animals involved for some reason are cooperating. The breeding industries especially for horses do use restraints.
Physical force is only possible for interactions in which the aggressor merely wants unobstructed access to the body of the victim, it is not sufficient in any case where the 'victim' is required to do something as is the case for many confirmed interactions involving both males and females but mostly males.

Second, unfortunately this is a much harder issue to tackle.. why? Because we happen to call this training and it is used all the time for trivial things like where to relieve oneself or what furniture not to climb on. People think nothing of it because they are convinced they are not harming the animal. They probably also figure that if not climbing on the red couch or rolling over was a issue of psychological damage the animal would be much more reluctant.

I cannot tell you that all animals zoophiles keep are not trained to engage in sex. I can tell you that most zoophiles insist on using only positive reinforcement, i.e. reward but no punishment. In that case we are really talking about the motivations of the animal and not really brain washing or force. Is the animal cooperating for a treat or because the act itself is pleasurable? I suppose it matters, but not in the context of animal abuse. If sex was so terrible as anti-zoophile elements claim, a treat would hardly do to overcome the profound hurt the animal would feel. Finally with pretty high certainty we can say that animals will cooperate just for the pleasure, which they undoubtedly feel because they will seek another interaction after the first one. If a dog is scratching at the door, or a horse is pulling at the halter, do you wonder if opening the door or taking off the halter is abuse or forcing the animal to go outside or run around the pasture? All that's left for the brainwashing case is the idea that loyalty to the master would induce the animal to do anything they want without complaint regardless of their own feelings, this simply cannot be reconciled with the rest of their behavior.

Bottom line being that animals will tolerate and volunteer for sexual relations with a human being in the absence of anything that can be construed as force, almost certainly because they are seeking their own pleasure, medical science has proven that all female mammals have a clitorus, just like women do, they also have the same biology with a uterus, ovaries, ability to orgasm etc., just like women. The same goes for male animals in regards to men.

In wrapping this post up I'll say a couple of things on "bestiality laws" the first is creating a climate where now due to a law it will cause more animal injury and death as a result, how? well think about it because obviously the legislators don't: you are the owner of a female animal, one day she develops a uterine infection or discharge which is fairly common normally with no sex involved at all, now faced with the real possibility your vet could make a mistake and call in a report that they suspect "bestiality" caused this, now you have the police involved, the media gets in on it and even if you are found totally innocent of any wrong doing it's leaked out to the media which then goes around the globe on facebook, twitter, blogs, forums etc that so and so was questioned by police over allegations of "bestiality"

Now with that in mind, how likely do you think someone, especially a man is going to even risk that possibility by taking any female animal in for an exam for anything related to vaginal discharge etc? They will be far more likely to let it go, dump her, or kill her.

Lastly, no matter what the law is, there is no crime committed behind closed and locked doors when there's no witnesses, pictures, videos and the other participant can't speak the human language. Bestiality once carried the death penalty and that didn't stop it, threats of a fine or a short stay in jail if caught sure won't.
No, it will continue on as it always has, laws or no laws.

For more on this topic see "zoophilia" on wikipedia.org
So you're basically saying that the animals don't suffer any more through their use this way, and probably less than when they're raised for execution and consumption or hunted down for execution and consumption. I see.

The problem with using animals for sex that I see are various.

#1: I'm a city girl. However, it's no mystery that animals CAN transmit illnesses to humans. Since sex is one of the really great ways to become infected by all kinds of things not only due to the contact between sexual organs, but because of the proximity, I think that this is an unnecessary exposure to disease. As someone who has a friend with Lyme Disease (which is ONLY ONE of the diseases one can get from animals), and I've watched his deterioration over the period of one year, I think one would have to be incredibly stupid to engage in sexual contact with animals.

#2: Like necrophiliacs, who can only have sex with the dead (because they are so mentally ill that they cannot have any human relationships), or psychopaths who can only have sex by making people suffer or killing them (again, because they're so mentally disturbed that they cannot have human relationships), individuals who have sex with animals, are so mentally f*cked up, so mentally disturbed, so seriously in need of being locked up and treated medically and psychologically, that they cannot have human relationships, and therefore can only have sex with animals.

They're sick puppies, to put it mildly.

 
Old 07-17-2013, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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My ex-wife and I attempted to write a satirical Christmas carol one time. It began:

Spoiler
Grandma got bent over by a reindeer
Tricking at the whorehouse Christmas Eve.
You might think that reindeer use protection,
But grandma still wound up with Lyme disease.

Copyright djacques 2007
 
Old 07-17-2013, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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I can understand a lot of things such as theft if you are hungry,murder in the heat of the momentt,bribery if caught at something or wanting something you couldn't obtain otherwise etc etc ..not saying I condone such things at all,but I can "understand" them and how a person might find themselves in that situation...BUT...rape,pedos,bestiality and things such as that I cannot for the life of me understand how screwed up someone's mind would have to be to engage in such behaviours....take religion out of it,take the morality out of it and you are still left with one nasty S.O.B. to do something like that...Zoo,you need to seek help...you appear to be highly intelligent,extremely articulate and very focused,but your clutch is slipping son and you just can't see,hear or smell it burning up and the proof lies in the fact that you ARE into bestiality,but trying to seperate the zoophile gig from it as if your ilk is above the idiots in the barn who left their friend for dead..I'm being sincere and not being an ass to you at all.
 
Old 07-17-2013, 12:09 PM
 
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Big Farma, man.

Big Farma.

The vast girth of Big Farma really chapped his ass.
 
Old 07-17-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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Bestiality brothels are 'spreading through Germany' as campaigner claims abusers see sex with animals as a 'lifestyle choice' | Mail Online

Bestiality brothels are spreading through Germany faster than ever thanks to a law that makes animal porn illegal but sex with animals legal, a livestock protection officer has warned.

Madeleine Martin told the Frankfurter Rundschau that current laws were not protecting animals from predatory zoophiles who are increasingly able to turn to bestiality as a 'lifestyle choice'.
That's ridiculous. Animals are a living being that can not consent to sex. This is abuse, plain and simple.
 
Old 07-17-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: TX
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tell that to the woman or man UNDER a male dog who is on top that the dog is being taken advantage of, like the "Mr Hands" case the horse was happily thrusting away, it was the man who wound up injured and dead the horse was just fine.
That humans are sometimes harmed this way makes no difference. But that the horse most likely didn't realize this was happening or going to happen only proves my point: animals do not have the understanding necessary to participate in sexual activity with humans. It's just that simple.

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that shows they have the ability to make a conscious choice and decisions for themselves as sentient beings.
And again, so what? Being able to make a decision as a sentient being should not be the standard, as once more, even young children understand that sex feels good. If nothing more is required than this basic understanding (because that is all we can assume that animals understand), you are condoning sex with children and the mentally ill with the same strokes of the keyboard.

Also, I never said zoophiles were training animals to have or enjoy sex with humans (although the imbalance of power argument against bestiality still stands). I mentioned how animals could be trained to do things that make them look stupid or foolish in response to your mention of how children are clueless because they are taught to believe in Santa, the tooth fairy, etc. Both are clueless, and practicing pedophiles and zoophiles alike are taking advantage of that for their own sexual pleasure, rationalizing it with claims they cannot back up such as the claim that they are in a "relationship" with a child or animal comparable to one between two adult humans.
 
Old 07-17-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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But at the end of the day, you live/defend a lifestyle that takes advantage of animals' lower status for sexual pleasure. Yes, lower status perpetuated even by you. The very fact that animals depend on humans for their basic needs (food, water, shelter), along with the fact that humans (even animal rights activists) get to decide what their animals' boundaries are demonstrates an inherent lack of equality.
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Animals do not think in human terms that way, a dog or horse is not going to think "maybe I had better act sexy tonight so I can get my food bowl!"
That was not my argument. I was establishing the fact that animals have lower status than humans, including humans who claim to be for animal rights. If you are the sole provider of their food, water, and/or shelter, and you maintain your authority over them, any claims to view them as equals are questionable at best.

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No argument there, and the real zoophile would be the first to turn in someone doing that, even another person who calls themselves a zoophile.
Maybe so, and maybe a practicing pedophile would be the first to report physical child abuse. Doesn't make what they're doing OK. Minus the delusion that the child/animal is ready and capable of consenting to sex, they are just as much a monster as the more violent abusers they preach about. And you can say a child and animal are not comparable all you want to; so far, you haven't given any objective explanation of what makes them (specifically, their readiness for sexual behavior) any different. There is just no fundamental difference that we as humans know of.

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But contending that what you have with a well-treated prisoner is a "relationship" is a lie.
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That's your opinion, and it's based on the usual Judeo-Christian dogma everyone is taught that animals are sub-human soulless lumps well beneath the god-like human species...
You wish. I'm an atheist, and my opinion is actually based on the notion of equality. You know, the same thing you're claiming is your motivation, is what leads me to believe the whole claim of being in a relationship with an animal is bogus. You cannot have a relationship (term defined as it relates to this subject) with someone/something you are inherently and inevitably in charge of. Someone/something that has no other options. And especially not with someone/something that cannot articulate that they have chosen you, why they have chosen you, what their plans for the future with you are, etc. Come to think of it, if anything mirrors traditional Judeo-Christian values on the concept of sexual relationships, it'd be the "relationship" between a human and an animal. Women were treated as inferiors (though probably said to be equals by the same men who perpetuated the inequality), and because any expression of dissatisfaction with their partner was strongly discouraged, they seemed content by staying quiet and well-behaved. Meanwhile, men got to make all of the decisions including where their women could go and when. Hmmm...

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The fact is, every pet owner has a relationship with their animals, it's called a symbiotic relationship as both obtain as well as give something to the other, that is the basis for human marriage by the way- a mutually shared life where each gives something to the other and in return receives something.
No, that is not the basis for human marriage. While there is no question that people who are married do give and receive as part of the relationship, human marriage is about articulating and publicizing/officializing both feelings and promises. This is not comparable to animals and humans in the slightest.

But if you are conceding that there may be no romantic love relationship between animal and human, that's good enough for me. At least you admit it (finally). It's about what can be given and received. And when one party is automatically and inevitably in charge of things like food and water, this exchange - this so-called "relationship" is quite one-sided! No true romantic love relationship comes with it such an imbalance of power.

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For most pet owners this involves companionship, love, protection, enjoyment and activities, for the pet they receive the same, plus medical care wild animals can't get, food, fresh water, protection from predators and shelter.
This says it all, really. If you cannot see how unequal such a "relationship" inherently is, you're blind.
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