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Nothing before the physical altercation was a crime under Florida law . Most likely Martin initiated the physical altercation. The result was Zimmerman on his back, possibly screaming for help, with a weapon within Martin's reach. Fear for your life is not unreasonable in this situation.
Tell me again how Martin ended up face down after whatever took place. Oh, ya, Zimmerman claims he doesn't remember that part. He can remember the words Martin supposedly said, he can remember Martin supposedly covering his mouth with his hand and various other "details" that help his self-defense scenario but how he managed to roll dead weight Martin off with such a force that he didn't just roll to his side or on his back Martin rolled a couple of times and landed on face down, at which point Zimmerman jumped on and pretended to hold him down. I just can't get past this point in Zimmerman's story. It just doesn't make any sense.
I don't think Zimmerman is an evil person. He may even believe most of this own story, having retold it so many times. BUT he should at least have to serve a manslaughter conviction since all the defense really has in the way of evidence is George's words. What I think happened is Martin punched him, Zimmerman fell backward and hit his head on the cement, then Zimmerman grabbed his gun shot Martin while Martin was still standing. Then Martin fell first to his knees, then forward face down. At that point Zimmerman jumped on top. And before someone brings up the bullet-hole-through-the-shirt theory and the fabric being away from the skin as in supposedly him leaning forward, don't forget that Martin had a heavy can of ice tea in the front pocket of that shirt and that would keep the fabric away from the skin whether he was standing or on his back.
All true. But what is cool about being on a jury is that you can completely IGNORE the judges instructions.
I have only been on two. One Civil the other a Murder case. As soon as we were locked away to decide on both cases the judges instructions went out the window and, common sense applied. And best of all the judge can't do a whole lot about it.
Yep, you can. And that absolutely CAN get the case overturned on appeal. ESPECIALLY the murder case. There is something called the collateral appeal level in which appellate attorneys and their investigators INVESTIGATE the trial proceedings for wrong-doing and things like Brady violations, Ineffective Assistance of Counsel, etc., etc., and during those investigations former jurors are interviewed. Do you really think all jurors would be so good at lying that they wouldn't at least accidentally reveal what took place in the jury room which might have been contrary to Jury Instructions....considering it's kinda hard to remember them a few weeks after the trial, or even months after the trial?
And here you are bragging about disregarding the Jury Instructions on TWO juries. You know, all it would take is some type of "warrant" to discover your real identity, check your name against all the trials you've ever served as a jury on, especially murder cases, and catch up to you. Don't think that's silly either. People who do appeals in murder cases are very serious usually and are VERY RESOURCEFUL. The criminal justice system in each state keep statistics on the number of murder cases tried, the outcome of those case, etc., etc. Wouldn't be all that hard to find you if one of those types of appellate attorneys got wind of your claims.
I'm sorry, remorse is what you're supposed to feel if you are OJ Simpson...or Mark Melendez...or Jodi Arias or whoever.
You know...when you actually murder somebody over passion..when you are unable to get a grip mentally and let your insecurities or your weak will get the best of you.
When somebody is on TOP OF YOU and punching your face into the concrete...you DON'T feel remorse for blowing them away....because you would do it again 10 times out of 10.
Feeling remorse and feeling sorry you had to blow someone away to save your own life are two totally different things.
Zimmerman has no reason to feel remorse. He might feel sorry someone died, and he might feel especially sorry for the family the deceased left behind, but remorse? You're right. He has no reason to feel remorse.
I have no doubt he wishes he had stayed home that night.
BUT he should at least have to serve a manslaughter conviction since all the defense really has in the way of evidence is George's words. What I think happened is Martin punched him, Zimmerman fell backward and hit his head on the cement, then Zimmerman grabbed his gun shot Martin while Martin was still standing. Then Martin fell first to his knees, then forward face down. At that point Zimmerman jumped on top. And before someone brings up the bullet-hole-through-the-shirt theory and the fabric being away from the skin as in supposedly him leaning forward, don't forget that Martin had a heavy can of ice tea in the front pocket of that shirt and that would keep the fabric away from the skin whether he was standing or on his back.
John Good's testimony contradicts your "thinking" and how would someone be able to yell for help for several seconds under your scenario?
Remember, folks, the standard is reasonable doubt. You cannot convict otherwise. The defense has not even presented their case yet and they have the case wrapped up they just are going to throw a few daggers into the corpse of this case.
I am very familiar with the instructions that are given to the jury... I also know these instructions have little effect on what goes on in the mind of someone on a jury.. Once again.. Juries are not legal professionals..
Juror misconduct, which includes blatantly disregarding jury instructions, is certainly a claim which can be made in an appeal. I have in fact done research and investigation in re juror misconduct. Jurors are allowed to talk to people after the trial. Jurors are not all happy with each other after a trial either.
Occasionally a juror may indeed be a legal professional. Lawyers are sometimes selected as jurors. Not often, but sometimes. But you are correct, we do NOT have PROFESSIONAL JURORS, thank god.
There is no doubt that, even now, and in the past, people have been over charged by prosecutors. Because there is and has been a large percentage of blacks, relative to their population, in the court system, it is understandable that most blacks will not accept an acquittal in this case. Basically what we have is an affirmative defense versus an affirmative action prosecution.
There is no doubt that, even now, and in the past, people have been over charged by prosecutors. Because there is and has been a large percentage of blacks, relative to their population, in the court system, it is understandable that most blacks will not accept an acquittal in this case. Basically what we have is an affirmative defense versus an affirmative action prosecution.
Been at least two people overcharged by Ms. Corey. The Marissa Alexander case is a tragedy. Yes, she deserved jail time but not the minimal sentence of 20 years. Corey knew this case would hurt her with the black vote so she overcharged Z to make amends. Two wrongs make a political right.
John Good's testimony contradicts your "thinking" and how would someone be able to yell for help for several seconds under your scenario?
Remember, folks, the standard is reasonable doubt. You cannot convict otherwise. The defense has not even presented their case yet and they have the case wrapped up they just are going to throw a few daggers into the corpse of this case.
John Good was only ONE WITNESS. His testimony does NOT negate all other testimony put on by the State and I'm sure this jury will have jurors who listens to ALL THE TESTIMONY. You all seem to think that one person's testimony carries the entire case. Didn't Good back off his original MMA style punching?
Yes, the Defense "has presented their case" via Zimmerman's statements and videos, unless they plan to call Zimmerman. That's his defense. Who else are they going to call? Zimmerman's mother to identify the screams....the screams he made while allegedly his nose was being squeezed and his mouth covered??? A pathologist, who will "supposedly" destroy the credibility of the ME who did the autopsy? Do you think that pathologist is going to opine that Martin lived for 10 minutes after being shot, or that Martin would have been able to move and talk after the bullet entered his heart? I'm very interested to hear what their pathologist will have to say.
Fell down and scratched his head? That is funny. How often have you fallen down and scratched the back of your head like that?
The fact is Z had to go on Hannity due to the media blitz against him led by Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton and closely followed by Jesse "spit on white people's food" Jackson. Since every rational person who has watched the trial, which almost certainly includes the jurors, find the state has produced no evidence to sustain a conviction there is no need for George to testify.
Z has won. No use playing the game any longer. The racists who wished to railroad a struggling young Hispanic man need to give it up. Whoops, I forgot we now have the term white Hispanic.
So go back to your bong and relax.
Whenever you see such a ridiculous claim as the falling down and scratching your head crapola ya realize ya ain't dealin' with rational people.
Why did Zimmerman lie to Hannity about the SYG statute? He stated that he didn't know about the SYG statute when in fact he did if you're to believe the testimony presented by his instructor who stated that Zimmerman was an "A" student.
His injuries were superficial & didn't require any sutures which would be more associated with someone who fell and bumped their head as opposed to someone who had their head bashed against concrete 25-30 times.
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You know, all it would take is some type of "warrant" to discover your real identity, check your name against all the trials you've ever served as a jury on, especially murder cases, and catch up to you. Don't think that's silly either. People who do appeals in murder cases are very serious usually and are VERY RESOURCEFUL. The criminal justice system in each state keep statistics on the number of murder cases tried, the outcome of those case, etc., etc. Wouldn't be all that hard to find you if one of those types of appellate attorneys got wind of your claims.
Didn't Good back off his original MMA style punching? 
That's his defense. Who else are they going to call? Zimmerman's mother to identify the screams....the screams he made while allegedly his nose was being squeezed and his mouth covered??? A pathologist, who will "supposedly" destroy the credibility of the ME who did the autopsy? Do you think that pathologist is going to opine that Martin lived for 10 minutes after being shot, or that Martin would have been able to move and talk after the bullet entered his heart? I'm very interested to hear what their pathologist will have to say.