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Reading on this forum, it seems like most Americans hate labor laws, government mandate laws, hate when the government mandates any paid days off, socialism, against national healthcare, etc. unlike in Europe?
People being against socialism, what's their reason? Any of them low-income?
Whoops. Labor laws and industry laws/standards is not "socialism"
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I know a few Republican union members who trash unions left and right, when I ask them why don't they take a non union job or work at a non union company they shut up real fast.
More to the point, who decided unions should be able to hold jobs they did not create hostage in "must join" states?
Unions are great if you're a colossal ****-up who needs a mob organization to prevent you from being fired for being a colossal ****-up.
Unlike thirty years ago, corporations no longer care much about their non-investor stakeholders. They've learned that their rewards come from doing whatever they can in the best interest of their investors, thereby abrogating their moral responsibilities to protect consumers, to protect business partners and to protect employees, thereby shifting such responsibilities more heavily onto government. Those employees lucky enough to be valuable enough to corporations to warrant a simulation of such concern for them by their employer couldn't care less about how such responsible regard is withheld from increasing larger portions of the labor force - they're getting theirs, so most of them figure why should they care? Rich-people-wannabes kowtow to the party line simply because they're sycophants. In essence, the answer to your question can be found in the remarkable ascendancy of a mentality that prompts people to care only about their own comfort and luxury and prompts them to abandon empathy and consideration for others.
Because theyve been deluded into voting against their own interests by corporate influence.
If and when the Senate amnesty bill becomes law, as liberals hope it will, millions of Americans will lose their jobs to immigrants who entered the country illegally. Wages will decline even more, benefits will evaporate and welfare rolls will explode. This will happen because Democrats are hoping the new illegal immigrant voters will make the US a one party nation.
How in the world can anyone be so gullible as to believe government gives a rat's *** about the best interest of American workers or even the US?
I know a few Republican union members who trash unions left and right, when I ask them why don't they take a non union job or work at a non union company they shut up real fast.
Well, this is a dumb thread, and this is a dumb statement.
First, you can be both against unions and be in a union. You can be opposed to the expansive US military industrial complex, and work as a contractor on a military base. It does not make you a hypocrite, regardless of what people want to tell you.
The truth is, unions and the government create a distortion of the market and wages. Union and government employees make more money than they would otherwise make. And so union and government employees are basically unfairly compensated in relation to other workers. Even if you don't like the unions, and think they shouldn't exist. It accomplishes absolutely nothing by refusing to work for one, other than make you poorer and have less economic and political influence.
Just a reminder, Unions don't make Americans in general richer. Unions don't make American companies more competitive. When it comes to wages, the only impact unions have, is to guarantee their members more, and practically everyone else less. Especially those with the least economic and political clout(unskilled/low-skilled labor).
Secondly, I think we need to be careful when we talk about the "protection" of workers, and its real outcome. It is certainly true that individuals want job security. And so they have successfully lobbied to make it nearly impossible to fire anyone. But this also makes employers more timid to hire anyone. They have lobbied to raise the minimum wage. Which generally correlates to less opportunities for low-skilled/unskilled labor.
What people who want "government protection" of workers don't realize is that. These protections have to come from somewhere. For instance, free healthcare is not free. Ultimately, we have to pay for it. Whether it is paid for by a reduction in wages, or in higher taxes. You are going to pay for it. You have to pay for everything. Nothing is free.
Paid vacation days are not free, they have to be paid for. Paid sick days aren't free. Safer work environments also aren't free. Nothing is free. The government doesn't just wave a magic wand and everyone is better off at no expense.
The real problem with unions or other groups who organize don't seem to realize. And what their supporters don't realize. Is that, all of these demands by workers are paid for either directly by the workers themselves, or by customers. And in the case of union workers, their special benefits have generally come from higher costs to consumers. Which disproportionately hurt low-skilled workers, who have to pay the higher costs, but don't receive the higher wages like union employees.
Effectively, unions make the working poor even poorer. And so-called "Government protections" make it harder for the low-skilled labor to get jobs. While government regulation of labor seems like a good idea on the surface. As a general rule, it ends up hurting the poor, and makes the United States less competitive, and thus causes a massive outsourcing of jobs. The only "solution" provided by unions, is basically a vast expansion of either tariffs or subsidies, in the name of "protecting American business". Which if they actually got their way and their protectionist policies would actually get enacted. It would cause a massive depression, just like what caused the first great depression.
I worked for a union before, its nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats complaining about how bad they have it. I lived in Midwest City, Oklahoma. Most of my friends and family work on Tinker AFB. Trust me, government wages are far higher than market value for most entry-level positions. It is pretty ridiculous. Like, the same job that pays $12 an hour in the public sector, pays more like $18-$20 an hour. A job paying $20 an hour in the private sector, is paying more like $30 an hour. And its far easier work.
My friend is a machinist, he says he rarely even works when he is at work.
I want to add one more thing. Despite what people want to say in the forums or in life. If you don't like something the government is doing. The best way to fix it isn't to complain about it and not use it. The best thing you can do is abuse the crap out of it.
If you hate food stamps. Abuse them. If you hate unemployment, abuse it. If you hate disability, abuse it. If you hate financial aid, abuse it. If you hate guaranteed emergency room healthcare, abuse it. Whatever it is that you hate, I advise you abuse it as best you can. And recommend that everyone around you abuse it as well.
These programs aren't going to be ended from complaining about them. These programs will only be ended once they become unsustainable from their massive expense. The world is primarily driven by money, not by complaining. Trust me.
If you hate unions, go work for a union, and demand such ridiculous compensation to the point that people finally just get sick of it. If it is a private union, demand so much compensation that the corporation goes out of business. You can't get rid of unions by complaining about them. They have to go the way of the Twinkie, bankrupt.
One wonders why the Republican Party doesn't propose changes that would lay heavy sanctions, vigorously enforced, on employers who employ undocumented workers. Of course, it's because making it impossible to do business by employing undocumented workers would force employers to employ Americans (at American wages instead of immigrant [aka slave] wages) cutting into profits. That's why. They don't really oppose illegal immigrants - they simply oppose allowing them to become legal and thereby rise above slave level in our society. As veritable slaves, they serve the right-wing wet-dream of "profits over people".
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