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Old 07-11-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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$280,000?
Evidently, ours make almost the same amount, but without the overhead, malpractice ins and student debt.

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I don't understand why people seem to think we don't pay our doctors and nurses anything. Ooops, sorry. SOME people.
Because it just doesn't jibe with everything they've been told by all those talking heads who have a vested interest in keeping the status-quo.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:44 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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You said "Americans". Without a qualifier (e.g. "some", "many", etc.) that means all Americans.
These are Canadians you are talking to, they know everything about Americans!
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:55 PM
 
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Because it just doesn't jibe with everything they've been told by all those talking heads who have a vested interest in keeping the status-quo.
The only people that are trying to keep the status quo are the people pushing for a single payer. They have no problem with healthcare monopolies and cartels are long as someone else pays for it.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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These are Canadians you are talking to, they know everything about Americans!
Why wouldn't we? Our education system isn't dysfunctional and we are neighbours all living within 100 miles of your border because we want to be just like you.

At least; that's what you keep telling us.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:08 PM
 
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The only people that are trying to keep the status quo are the people pushing for a single payer. They have no problem with healthcare monopolies and cartels are long as someone else pays for it.
I'm coming to understand your problem. You have too many non-paying members in your club and are afraid to institute new clubhouse rules for fear the ???47 %??? deadbeats will get a free ride.

That about it?
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:08 PM
 
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The only people that are trying to keep the status quo are the people pushing for a single payer. They have no problem with healthcare monopolies and cartels are long as someone else pays for it.
Then the solution is not single-payer healthcare, but a full-blown NHS style system where the healthcare workers, hospitals, and ambulances are run by the states, funded by the feds. That is the only way you're going to break the healthcare monopoly and cartel, as you call it, and finally get an even playing field. There is no other way unless the President issues some kind of price controls via executive order or Congress mandates what the costs will be and I can't even begin to imagine that happening here

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I'm coming to understand your problem. You have too many non-paying members in your club and are afraid to institute new clubhouse rules for fear the ???47 %??? deadbeats will get a free ride.

That about it?
Oh, if it's not the 47% of so-called deadbeats in this country, it's the debt. If it's not that, it's imposing undue taxes that will harm businesses. If it's not that, it's gonna be something else. Point is, these people will always find an excuse to not lift their finger and do something about this huge problem.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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These are Canadians you are talking to, they
know everything about Americans!
Oooh, is that anything like Americans knowing everything about Universal healthcare? As in, "If you catch the flu in the UK, prepare your will"? How about "Nurses and doctors aren't paid very well in Canada"? Or "Your hospitals suck!"
Kind of like that?
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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I'm coming to understand your problem. You have too many non-paying members in your club and are afraid to institute new clubhouse rules for fear the ???47 %??? deadbeats will get a free ride.

That about it?
Not exactly, the problem is that we have hospitals that collude to fix the price of care, buy up competitors, and charge different prices to different people. When was the last time body shops operated like that? They don't, they charge the same price to everyone. Rich, poor, young, old, insured, uninsured, etc and unlike healthcare there is a relation between price and quality.

I have a problem with paying monopoly prices. The single payer crowd doesn't care about paying monopoly prices as long as they don't pay for it. Otherwise they would just buy insurance and fight against things that drive up healthcare costs.

Necessarily the people in the 47% would pay though. We could just raise the payroll taxes by 15% and then institute a law that says we can't spend more than we collect. Some people would get a raise since insurance isn't part of compensation anymore which could offset the higher taxes. Unfortunately, there isn't a way to raise taxes that much without throwing the US into a recession.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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Oooh, is that anything like Americans knowing everything about Universal healthcare? As in, "If you catch the flu in the UK, prepare your will"? How about "Nurses and doctors aren't paid very well in Canada"? Or "Your hospitals suck!"
Kind of like that?
Well Americans don't really care about your universal healthcare....
the only "heath-care talk" i hear is usually about ACA
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Well Americans don't really care about your universal healthcare....
the only "heath-care talk" i hear is usually about ACA
Funny, considering they seem to have plenty to say about it
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