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Old 07-10-2013, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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because United States indirectly subsidizes the world's healthcare by financing all the medical research?
Really? the US funds ALL of the world's medical research? I call BS.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If that had happened in the States...even with insurance...I'd be paying hundreds if not thousands out of pocket in dribs and drabs for the next several months.

If that happened in the U.S., you would have been tackled before you could leave the premises.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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It's not a big mystery. The facts are right out there for everyone who wants to see them.

Why is it that we spend more per capita on healthcare than pretty much anyone else on the planet and still get inferior/mediocre results for it? How can such a status quo be considered "good" by some people?
So you have a country that is fatter, doesn't walk anywhere, higher rates of diabetes etc. You sit there and ignore the social-economic inequality versus these two countries, and you then. . .ignoring all the realities, act as if the only thing that stands between us and a european mortality rate is our insurance system?


Even the World Health Organization calls bull$hit on that claim.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:13 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Really? the US funds ALL of the world's medical research? I call BS.
Although the cost of manufacturing a drug is relatively low, the cost of developing a new drug is relatively high, and the United States' high drug prices allow the U.S. pharmaceutical industry to invent a disproportionately high share of all drugs.[3] Herper states that "A single clinical trial can cost $100 million at the high end, and the combined cost of manufacturing and clinical testing for some drugs has added up to $1 billion."[4] Although the United States comprises only 5% of the world's population, it accounts for 36% of worldwide research and development of pharmaceutical drugs.[3] A study by Battelle Memorial Institute estimated that drug research will 'save' more than $750 billion in treatment costs for just five illnesses (AIDS, heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's, and arthritis) over the next 25 years.[3]Schizophrenia drugs which cost $4,500 per patient per year save more than $70,000 per patient per year by rendering hospitalization unnecessary.[5]

The statistics reflect that prices of brand name drugs in the United States are significantly higher than in Canada, India, the UK and other countries, nearly all of which have price controls.

Prescription drug prices in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:14 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Catch the flu in London you might have to prepare a will before you get seen by a Doctor.

oh yeah, much better.
Not true. When was the last time you, as a British citizen, accessed healthcare in that country? Or are you just making stuff up from your rear region?
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:14 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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If that happened in the U.S., you would have been tackled before you could leave the premises.
LOL true, they probably would have wanted my first-born if I'd tried to leave without signing my life away in triplicate.

I will say this...I go to the doctor a lot LESS here in the US.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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So you have a country that is fatter, doesn't walk anywhere, higher rates of diabetes etc. You sit there and ignore the social-economic inequality versus these two countries, and you then. . .ignoring all the realities, act as if the only thing that stands between us and a european mortality rate is our insurance system?


Even the World Health Organization calls bull$hit on that claim.
For what it's worth, here are some stats on global obesity.
Obesity statistics - Countries Compared - NationMaster

More recently , the UN says the U.S. is no longer the fattest:
Mexico Obesity Rate Higher Than U.S., Says U.N. Report

Countries with well honed national healthcare are deeply invested in weight control education. One is not likely to find cakes, cookies, candy and soda in schools. Here, if a school district plans to take out the candy machine, a sit storm ensues. School lunches in Japan are seaweed based. Here, the masses make fun of the first lady's project.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Although the cost of manufacturing a drug is relatively low, the cost of developing a new drug is relatively high, and the United States' high drug prices allow the U.S. pharmaceutical industry to invent a disproportionately high share of all drugs.[3] Herper states that "A single clinical trial can cost $100 million at the high end, and the combined cost of manufacturing and clinical testing for some drugs has added up to $1 billion."[4] Although the United States comprises only 5% of the world's population, it accounts for 36% of worldwide research and development of pharmaceutical drugs.[3] A study by Battelle Memorial Institute estimated that drug research will 'save' more than $750 billion in treatment costs for just five illnesses (AIDS, heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's, and arthritis) over the next 25 years.[3]Schizophrenia drugs which cost $4,500 per patient per year save more than $70,000 per patient per year by rendering hospitalization unnecessary.[5]

The statistics reflect that prices of brand name drugs in the United States are significantly higher than in Canada, India, the UK and other countries, nearly all of which have price controls.

Prescription drug prices in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We do medical research. We develop new drugs. We do clinical trials.
Since you claimed that the US funds ALL of the world's medical research, please tell me how much the USA has invested in CIHR, the Canadian Institutes of Health Research.
Shouldn't be too hard to look it up. Maybe you can find it in Wiki.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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You simply cannot compare the US to European nations in regards to things like this. We have a much larger and far more demographically diverse population than any other first-world nation. There are more people and diversity in Wisconsin than in Norway.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:20 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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We do medical research. We develop new drugs. We do clinical trials.
Since you claimed that the US funds ALL of the world's medical research, please tell me how much the USA has invested in CIHR, the Canadian Institutes of Health Research.
Shouldn't be too hard to look it up. Maybe you can find it in Wiki.
I never claimed the US did all the research. Though they do the majority of it. Plus other countries have price controls for drugs, stifling development.
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