Why do Republicans Continue to Hand Democrats a Gift? (generation, legal, illegals)

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by pknopp

If the Senate had passed Immigration reform I might ask the same. As it was they passed a huge pork bill that few actually knows what it contains.

We have been there. Voting against Obamacare was supposed to be a loser also.

You can ignore reality, but that doesn't change reality.

[weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by gunlover


Its not a long term gain, its nothing more then
importing Marxist voters.

ROTFLMAO!! Okaaaay.......

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

You can ignore reality, but that doesn't change reality.

I'm not sure what I ignored.

[The Dark Enlightenment]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

I make no bones about it, I'm a Democrat. That said I also enjoy politics and political strategy and most of the time the GOP plays smart politics and plays to their strengths. What I can't figure out right now is why the GOP is handing the Democrats a huge gift by threatening to derail immigration reform. Doing comprehensive immigration reform like the Senate has done will actually be a short term boost for the Democrats, but a long term win for Republicans. Taking the immigration issue out of the debate is a big win for Republicans. If Republicans derail and block immigration reform they will give Democrats a weapon to keep using against them in the coming election cycles. What do yall think about the politics of immigration reform?

I'm sure this sounds reasonable to you based on what you have heard from the NYT, WSJ, CNN, etc. But there is a huge disconnect beween mainstream media analysis and reality on this issue. In the real world most people think there is already too much immigration. They want less not more. And few actually believe that making currently illegal residents into voting citizens will help the Republican Party.

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment

I'm sure this sounds reasonable to you based on what you have heard from the NYT, WSJ, CNN, etc. But there is a huge disconnect beween mainstream media analysis and reality on this issue. In the real world most people think there is already too much immigration. They want less not more. And few actually believe that making currently illegal residents into voting citizens will help the Republican Party.

This isn't media organizations saying this. This is the view of Republican leadership.

[The Dark Enlightenment]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

This isn't media organizations saying this. This is the view of Republican leadership.

It's both. Virtually all elite opinion is behind amnesty and continued mass immigration. It's amazing to see. Has there ever been an issue where the interests of the elite and ordinary people were so divided?

[bobtn]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

I make no bones about it, I'm a Democrat. That said I also enjoy politics and political strategy and most of the time the GOP plays smart politics and plays to their strengths. What I can't figure out right now is why the GOP is handing the Democrats a huge gift by threatening to derail immigration reform. Doing comprehensive immigration reform like the Senate has done will actually be a short term boost for the Democrats, but a long term win for Republicans. Taking the immigration issue out of the debate is a big win for Republicans. If Republicans derail and block immigration reform they will give Democrats a weapon to keep using against them in the coming election cycles. What do yall think about the politics of immigration reform?

You are correct, but the GOP for the last decade has been awesome at cutting off their nose to spite their face.

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment

It's both. Virtually all elite opinion is behind amnesty and continued mass immigration. It's amazing to see. Has there ever been an issue where the interests of the elite and ordinary people were so divided?

I'm not really sure what you are talking about. Republican leadership seems to grasp the politics and positive outcomes of immigration reform and so do actual Republican voters. It seems like the only people who are out of the mainstream are House Republican conservative/tea party members.

Immigration Reform Proposals Garner Broad Support in U.S.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

This isn't media organizations saying this. This is the view of Republican leadership.

They love pork. Of course they want it passed.

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by pknopp

They love pork. Of course they want it passed.

So you're saying that the Senate bill doesn't address immigration reform? That's a counter reality point of view, but you certainly have the right to believe anything you want.