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Old 07-11-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I found this interesting:
State emails searched for terms such as ‘tea party,’ ‘hicks’ | Government / Politics - The News Tribune

A conservative think tank in Washington state filed a public disclosure request (similar to a FOIA request) for search of emails and other state records for terms commonly used by lefty trolls when discussing us right-wingers. The search terms also include "conservative, Catholic, Christian, right wing, far right, racist, teabagger and hicks."

The purpose is to see if the blue state bureaucrats are engaging in similar monkey business as the IRS. I'm betting that the answer will almost certainly be yes. I think this is a brilliant move by the WA Freedom Foundation, and other states with disclosure laws might take note.

Washington has pretty strong laws regarding disclosure of public records. Several local conservative activists have gotten 6 figure paydays suing the most transparent region ever for violating its own transparency laws.
Politics | King County settles vote-records suit from 2004 governor race | Seattle Times Newspaper

Local News | King County to face bigger fine for delaying release of documents about Qwest Field financing | Seattle Times Newspaper
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:04 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I'll be waiting for the results.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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I applaud people using FOIA requests to get information from the government. It is important to keep government as transparent as possible.

But I also think that when organizations want to go fishing in government business, that the costs to fulfill these FOIA requests is enormous. That should be a consideration, too.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I applaud people using FOIA requests to get information from the government. It is important to keep government as transparent as possible.

But I also think that when organizations want to go fishing in government business, that the costs to fulfill these FOIA requests is enormous. That should be a consideration, too.
The people making the request pay for the production of documents.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:20 PM
 
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The people making the request pay for the production of documents.
Yes. And?

The more sweeping a request, the more expensive it is to fulfill. To get every e-mail that has one of a number of keywords or key phrases, from every operating system in the state, is a daunting task. To get people to review those e-mails to determine which qualify for FOIA and which don't, to review those e-mails to redact personal information, and then to combine those e-mails into an accessible data set, be it on a storage device or hard copy documents, is expensive. The people making the request don't pay for everything that goes into the process. And that should be a consideration. I'm not arguing that people shouldn't make such requests. I'm arguing they should think about the requests, and what they are hoping to find, and what they are hoping to accomplish, and what the costs are.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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I certainly hope they also included, "backwards, stupid, whiny, paranoid, racist and igorant," lest the net not be cast sufficiently wide.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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RW org requests all offcial state emails with the words "tea party," "gun nut," "hick," "Mormon," "libertarian...."


Let me guess: The response was, "Sorry, the IRS already requisitioned all such documents with those words, we don't have them any more."
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:15 PM
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They forgot to include birthers and tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs on the search list.
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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They forgot to include birthers and tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs on the search list.
Along with "stooges","morons" and "hypocrits"
What I find hilarious is the phrase "conservative think tank"...no such thing or its a mighty empty tank
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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But I also think that when organizations want to go fishing in government business, that the costs to fulfill these FOIA requests is enormous. That should be a consideration, too.
Government agencies are often trying to use the excuse of expense but the fact is they can compile these documents in very little time as long as they are electronic. The big issue is confidentiality rules and such and the government agencies need to adjust their practices such as marking email beforehand for review so it's flagged if it comes up in search. This is not rocket science for those of us that understand the tech.
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