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Yep, agreed. The minimum wage hurts people whose labor is valued less than what minimum wage is set at...it's not helping the poor as a whole, it's harming their chances at a job in the first place.
You can't legislate prosperity. It has to occur naturally, where people start at lower wages and build their skills and value so they're actually WORTH what they're being paid, not a burden on the employer.
Seems like you live in opposite world. The minimum wage hurts labor? Uhh, it hurts the corporations because they're forced to pay more. The corporations would LOVE to have the minimum wage abolished so they can pay people 0.25/hr if they could.
If you think removing the minimum wage is a good idea, you better be ready to watch a revolt against the few by the masses and overthrow the government we have.
Seems like you live in opposite world. The minimum wage hurts labor? Uhh, it hurts the corporations because they're forced to pay more. The corporations would LOVE to have the minimum wage abolished so they can pay people 0.25/hr if they could.
If you think removing the minimum wage is a good idea, you better be ready to watch a revolt against the few by the masses and overthrow the government we have.
Well...yeah, it hurts both the employer and the most unskilled or inexperienced people.
The second part is what always happens with the government. They do this stuff for votes and then it's tough to repeal, partially because of what you said. People get used to it and flip out if anyone wants to take it away.
Either way, my main point is that employers and employees both want the best deal they can get, but people only focus on the employees' wants. If you're costing the company more than you're making for them, what's the point? They're just an organization asking for help getting their work done, not a charity.
The corporations would LOVE to have the minimum wage abolished so they can pay people 0.25/hr if they could.
If 0.25/hr is all the value that person brings to the company...
Wages should be an agreement between the candidate and the potential employer to negotiate. The government has no place at that table. I've never had anyone else involved in determining any aspects of my employment and always made sure I had something to offer a prospective employer.
No such thing as a living wage, its a made up state of nirvana. Every person in the world has a different lifestyle and standard of living, its up to them to fund it. If you wan't a "living wage" and you work for me, do I get to also decide how you spend your money so I can make sure your "living wage" makes sure you have the bare essentials? Can I mandate that terms of employment mean no purchases of over $500 without my approval? No new premium smart phone, no unlimited data plans, no buying brand new cars, no super expensive cable packages, grocery shopping limited to healthy food only? Where do you want this to end...first people want the government to spoon feed them throughout life, now its the employers responsibility to care for you? Maybe they can change your kids diapers and do your laundry for you too?
If 0.25/hr is all the value that person brings to the company...
Wages should be an agreement between the candidate and the potential employer to negotiate. The government has no place at that table. I've never had anyone else involved in determining any aspects of my employment and always made sure I had something to offer a prospective employer.
That's silly it's not about "the value the employee brings" when is the last time you saw an employer even attempt to quantify that? It's about how little can I pay this person in order to keep them from quitting an hour after I give them the job
Hard to define "living wage" - but I do think it should at the very least allow someone to support a 1 person household (themselves) in an average/median studio apartment for the region.
Hard to define "living wage" - but I do think it should at the very least allow someone to support a 1 person household (themselves) in an average/median studio apartment for the region.
It doesn't do that in many places.
I have no problem with that.
When you find such a person in one of the "many places" you mentioned, write him a check for the balance.
He's not doing anything more for you to deserve the extra money, than he's doing for whatever employer he's sweeping floors for. But since you feel so strongly he should be getting more money, you are at least as responsible as his employer is, to provide it to him.
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I have no problem with that.
When you find such a person in one of the "many places" you mentioned, write him a check for the balance.
He's not doing anything more for you to deserve the extra money, than he's doing for whatever employer he's sweeping floors for. But since you feel so strongly he should be getting more money, you are at least as responsible as his employer is, to provide it to him.
How many checks have you written so far?
Why do conservatives use strawman arguments instead of just being honest and saying that they don't think the working poor deserve jack $#/+ ?
Why do conservatives use strawman arguments instead of just being honest and saying that they don't think the working poor deserve jack $#/+ ?
Because your hypothetical that says that conservatives honestly think that is about as devoid of fact and reason as anything else that most politicians spew out each side of their mouths. Bottom line is that the government doesn't care about you until its time to bribe you for your vote with free goodies every election cycle, everyone would be better off just finding ways to be more self sufficient rather than hoping they are the demographic that the government happens to want to pander to in a particular election cycle for their own personal gain.
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