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Old 07-17-2013, 07:03 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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really now

the CURRENT deficit as of yesterday is 578,701,352,329.68 mean while we still have 2.5 months left in the FY
Sure - but that deficit has not really moved in the last few months. It'll go up a bit more over the next couple of months but not by much.

Ken
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:15 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I guess you don't understand. Reducing the deficit from insanely ridiculous levels to absurd levels is not "progress".

We are still DOUBLE average Bush deficits, which, in Obama's words, were "unpatriotic". When Bush was posting those deficits (half of what liberals are calling a "good deficit"), the liberals were screaming!


Now Obama debt is "good debt"! The libs are celebrating this outrageous deficit of $850 billion, even when the nation is set for the additional spending on Obamacare in 2015.

Libs have truely lost it.
It's not the SIZE of the deficit that's good news it's the DIRECTION the size of the deficit is moving.
What DIRECTION did the deficit move under Bush?
What DIRECTION did the deficit move under Clinton?
What DIRECTION did the deficit move under the first Bush?
What DIRECTION did the deficit move under Reagan?

The fact is - despite all the talk by the GOP about Democrats being big spenders, in the last few decades it's been GOP Presidents who have consistently had ever-increasing deficits and Democrat Presidents who have turned the direction around.
Clinton did that and so did Obama.

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Old 07-17-2013, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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So when I view all the figures on the 'National Debt clock' board always going up, I'm looking at a bunch of lies?
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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So when I view all the figures on the 'National Debt clock' board always going up, I'm looking at a bunch of lies?
The National Debt clock isn't an accurate representation of the actual debt at any given moment. It's a rough approximation based on the average general increase in the national debt over some given period of time (not sure what range of dates they are using at the moment) and projecting that rate of increase forward into the current date.

Ken
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The gold standard created deflation.
No it doesn't. You made that up. Like when FDR SET the gold price. No different than printing money.Government is the cause of the booms and busts and the busts are always worse.

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Why is deflation bad? Let me count the ways.

When people expect falling prices, they become less willing to spend. This buts a drag on the economy as sales fall, leading to more unemployment and more deflation.
We don't get into debt as much on the big ticket item and they spend their money elsewhere. We spend money. The only time we've saved as a nation was WW2 when the economy stank because there was little in the way of quality goods to purchase. Supply side economics. Keynesian are clueless on that also.
Purchasing power of the dollar is what matters.

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Another effect is that deflation increases the burden of debts. This was particularly the case with farmers. They all had mortgages on their farms, which were fixed. However, the prices on their crops kept falling, to the point where they couldn't earn enough to pay the mortgages.
We are told to save money and not get into debt. Debt causes problems. Put a large down payment down on a house. We are always told that as it makes sense since its cheaper in the long run as well as the short run with lower payments. But your answer is to get in debt. Whatever you do, stay in debt and back yourself into a corner.
Same garbage the Obama administration told us on the cash for clunkers. All that happened was his cronies were helped while people got more into more debt AND the lower and middle class had less used cars, therefore they paid a higher price. Your economics tightens the noose around the working stiffs neck. Good thinking.

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Third, since deflation causes unemployment, it puts downward pressure on wages too. So, we end up with downward price and wage pressure, while debts remain fixed resulting in a deflationary spiral with high unemployment.
Deflation doesn't cause unemployment and never has. You made something up and tried to pass it off. Debts remained fixed? Says who? What else are you going to try and pawn off?

Subtle deflation or subtle inflation is what the people want. AND we don't base inflation on the fraudulent CPI. We don't like swings we want to have less variables in order to make an informed decision.
Judging from your posts, I think you've been under some stress lately.
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