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Old 07-22-2013, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Fascism is about bringing all within the State, nothing without the state. Its statism/collectivism. Also known as the religion of the state which is obvously similar to that of progressivism.

“Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which diverent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State.” - Benito Mussolini

Adolf Hitler, whose National Socialist (Nazi) Party adapted fascism to Germany beginning in 1933, said: “The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property.” (think about that as you are forced to pay property taxes)...As you can see, private property under fascism, like pure socialism, is controlled by the State for "the greater good" or the "public good". it is simply done so by proxy rather than direct ownership.
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:05 PM
 
Location: west mich
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He wouldn't accept Jesus, who was a socialist hippie caring about loving His fellow man and helping the poor...
You are right - Jesus is/would be the mortal enemy of today's conservative republican. Isn't it interesting that the "christian" Right chose the repubs to hook up with.
Anybody with local "christian" TV or radio, knows how they hate Obama, "liberals", Muslims, commies, and Democrats - you know, the common enemy.
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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You are right - Jesus is/would be the mortal enemy of today's conservative republican. Isn't it interesting that the "christian" Right chose the repubs to hook up with.
Anybody with local "christian" TV or radio, knows how they hate Obama, "liberals", Muslims, commies, and Democrats - you know, the common enemy.
And yet the Catholics overwhelmingly voted for Obama, twice.
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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You are right - Jesus is/would be the mortal enemy of today's conservative republican. Isn't it interesting that the "christian" Right chose the repubs to hook up with.
Anybody with local "christian" TV or radio, knows how they hate Obama, "liberals", Muslims, commies, and Democrats - you know, the common enemy.
Well, you need to realize that a lot of people who vote along those lines are collective groups of fundamentalists. People who largely haven't read the Bible, let along given any thought to their faith. They look for constant outer conflict to keep them from looking inward and seeing how shaky their faith is.

It is also why televangelists make tons of money. They create this conflict that people who are poor are those who Christ is punishing (prosperity gospel). If you just send them money, making them rich and blessed, they will speak to God and help you get blessed (I mean rich) as well. Even without passing any camels through any needles.

I think this sums up the conflict perfectly, and how they get led:

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Once you grasp this fact, you're a long way to understanding what the Hannitys and Limbaughs figured out long ago: These people will swallow anything you feed them, so long as it leaves them with a demon to wrestle with in their dreams.
-Matt Taibbi

Many people who know the Bible well, including groups of Catholics that took a trip to Washington to protest against the cuts the GOP was proposing in Ryan's plan (A group that a conservative radio host said should be pistol whipped for disagreeing with the GOP), are at least against cutting aide for the poor. Most I know are not conservative, and are sickened by what the GOP does in the name of Jesus.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Well, he's already stated about his lack of employment status. To get nearly 10 pages of quote mined babble from a number of different sources, even badly spelled and grammatically incorrect, requires more then 5 minutes between posts.

Especially because I have forced myself to read parts of the book Liberal Fascism, which took a fair amount of bourbon, and read the debunking. It's pretty well the exact gist of the book down to Hitler references.



Oh yes, people want reasons to hate liberals because they gulp down the Limbaugh's and Becks without thinking for themselves. It's lazy thinking playing on fear and anger. Give people a target of their fear and anger and you can lead them anywhere.

You see how he's spewing page after page of this crap like Duane Gish does during his debates. People stopped debating Gish because he would just spew and spew till he needed to take a drink, and it would be hours to find and present the evidence to debunk each one of his crazy ass points. Then he would just promptly spew out more unfazed that anything was debunked. This would go on till the person debating Gish realized they were talking to a complete lunatic.

This poster seems to be trying the same thing. Logic doesn't slow or stop crazy, but it can make you crazy trying to do so.
Loved your post. It made me laugh - "it took a fair amount of bourbon." LOL! Well, look on the bright side - if he keeps up the typing, sooner or later he'll get some proficiency and be able to hire himself out as a data entry processing dude.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:27 PM
 
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And yet the Catholics overwhelmingly voted for Obama, twice.
I'm not disputing this, but where'd you get this info?
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: west mich
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And yet the Catholics overwhelmingly voted for Obama, twice.
Well, I make a distinction between real and phony Christians - maybe it's not clear in my posts. I know there are real ones out there, mostly on the "Christian left" which seems not to have the multimillionaire evangelists and the big media voices.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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Exactly, context is everything. You were a liberal in the 1700s, when you were fighting for a change from British monarchy to freedom.
We don't even have to go that far. Go to Europe now in 2013 and call someone a liberal on economics.

The whole "progressive" thing is a misnomer. "Progress" by itself means pretty much nothing. There are certain things I want to "progress" to and certain things I do not.

This whole thread is a crap throwing contest. Enjoy.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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We don't even have to go that far. Go to Europe now in 2013 and call someone a liberal on economics.

The whole "progressive" thing is a misnomer. "Progress" by itself means pretty much nothing. There are certain things I want to "progress" to and certain things I do not.

This whole thread is a crap throwing contest. Enjoy.
its funny how them see themselves as the bring of "progress" limiting choice, usurping rights, disarming the citizenry, spreading lies, misery, and poverty and the while concertinaing power and wealth and force..so the next 10,000 years will look just like the last 10,000 that is progress..
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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its funny how them see themselves as the bring of "progress" limiting choice, usurping rights, disarming the citizenry, spreading lies, misery, and poverty and the while concertinaing power and wealth and force..so the next 10,000 years will look just like the last 10,000 that is progress..
Oh the irony. A right-winger accuses liberals of "limiting choice, usurping rights, spreading lies, misery, and poverty and concertinaing (sic) power and wealth and force," while the right wants to ban abortion rights and reproductive choice; Fox is their propaganda network; the right consistently opposes every program that helps the poor in favor of tax-cuts for the rich who then use their lobbying power to weild more influence. To think that liberals concentrate power and wealth in view of conservative policies that are responsible for the worse income inequality in 100 years, means you live in an alternate universe.
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