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Old 07-13-2013, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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It was a clarification on SELF DEFENSE. So, you can put away your party hats and confetti you Zimmerman haters. I know,,, I know,,, you *so* want to see that man bleed again...
Whatever they want they may not get this clarification. Evidently judges rarely do this and would be good grounds for appeal if he is convicted.

 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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I would speculate that the Defense, regardless of what they want clarified about manslaughter, is feeling rather nervous.
Yes, probably so.
 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Regardless of what so many of you think, that this entire case is about ONE component of the events that took place, IMO, the jury is looking at all the actions as a continuous action, they are considering the totality of the evidence.

I also DO NOT KNOW what the verdict will be.
Are people in Las Vegas betting on the outcome?

If so, what are the odds?

A lot of lawyers go to Las Vegas.
 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:27 PM
 
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It was a clarification on SELF DEFENSE. So, you can put away your party hats and confetti you Zimmerman haters. I know,,, I know,,, you *so* want to see that man bleed again...
wrong

Jury weighing Zimmerman's fate asks question about manslaughter option - CNN.com
 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:27 PM
 
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The jury just wanted more information about manslaughter. This is on Saturday at 6 pm.

I don't see involuntary manslaughter on the table, unless I'm missing something.
"To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Trayvon Martin is dead.

2. George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide:

Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence.

The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the killing."
verdict forms:
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_...007E_FINAL.pdf


jury instructions:
READ: Instructions For The Jury In Trial Of George Zimmerman : The Two-Way : NPR
Ellement Thanks for being on top of things!!!
For those of you wanting clarification...
 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:27 PM
 
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Please take a break from your fairytale to join the discussion about what really happened in this case.

A creepy guy with a gun was stalking a teenager armed with a bag of Skittles. Was Trayvon supposed to just lead the stalker/rapist/murder/child molester/slasher/serial killer to his home so that he could harm the entire family?


This "with a gun" we keep hearing is a red herring.
Until the gun came out is was an unknown by Martin.
 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:29 PM
 
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Yup no reason to consider manslaughter if they thought he acted in self defense. They do have grounds for a good appeal though. There is talk the judge erred in allowing this consideration.
If the jury believes self-defense was justified, he should be not guilty for both murder2 and manslaughter.
 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:29 PM
 
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It was a clarification on SELF DEFENSE. So, you can put away your party hats and confetti you Zimmerman haters. I know,,, I know,,, you *so* want to see that man bleed again...
Twitter feed is saying it was a question on manslaughter. Can you clarify that the question was indeed on self-defense?

Jury instructions: Jurors cannot convict on manslaughter in this case if TM's death justified, excusable, negligent or accident.
 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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If the jury believes self-defense was justified, he should be not guilty for both murder2 and manslaughter.
If they are discussing manslaughter, then odds are murder 2 is off the table.
 
Old 07-13-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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Well, cnn has never been wrong before so...
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