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Obama is an Imperial President...expanding the powers of the president. Even things that Obama has said were illegal for a president to do, he has done. His supporters tend to ignore this as he has a D next to his name. However, Obama's Imperial Presidency is setting a precedent for future presidential actions. A future president will be a conservative. Do you want him or her to have the ability to be just as lawless as Obama with expanded presidential powers?
Progressive liberals are like a angry mob, they do not look down the road to the consequences of their actions, or the actions of their politicians, they only live in the here and now. As long as someone is perceived as harming their political or ideological foes, they are happy. Even if the country as a whole is harmed, as long as their enemies are being hurt, nothing else matters.
Why do people act like pointing out the fact that Bush did the same exact things conservatives are accusing Obama of, is diverting? If an adulterous husband finally finds out his wife has recently cheated on him, and when he confronts her she says "Well you cheated on me for 8 years" is he gonna say "Quit diverting from the topic!" No! It's a very valid point.
Matthew 7:5-You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Yes, what you are pointing out is hypocrisy and the conservatives don't like it. They defended Bush's warrantless wiretapping, intimidation of U.S. attorneys to be harsh on Democrats and lenient on Republicans, etc. and now turn around and deride Obama, who didn't wiretap and got court approval for what he did. It may be bad for democracy but the fault is with the law, not the person executing the law that Congress passed.
Progressive liberals are like a angry mob, they do not look down the road to the consequences of their actions, or the actions of their politicians, they only live in the here and now. As long as someone is perceived as harming their political or ideological foes, they are happy. Even if the country as a whole is harmed, as long as their enemies are being hurt, nothing else matters.
Oh, you mean like when Bush and the Republicans pushed the Patriot Act down our throats? This is the exact hypocrisy that I wrote about.
You are obviously ignorant so you resort to the tactic of slander.
Schlessinger's book in the 70s started the term Imperial President - which is a president that expands the power of the president beyond that of the constitution.
It fit Nixon and it fits Obama.
Take off the dunce cap, use your brain for a change, read the article and then I challenge you to make a thoughtful response to the article - if you can.
Stop being a hyperpartisan child, tossing out juvenile insults.
Your posts in this forum are uniform and invariant: Obama hatred.
Yes, what you are pointing out is hypocrisy and the conservatives don't like it. They defended Bush's warrantless wiretapping, intimidation of U.S. attorneys to be harsh on Democrats and lenient on Republicans, etc. and now turn around and deride Obama, who didn't wiretap and got court approval for what he did. It may be bad for democracy but the fault is with the law, not the person executing the law that Congress passed.
We supported Bush's use of wire taps when we were told NSA would target phone calls made by known terrorists, including the people they were calling. We did not support a broadly cast intel gathering net that captures the entire nation's phone calls, emails, tweets, texts, and web sites we all visit on the internet.
Oh, you mean like when Bush and the Republicans pushed the Patriot Act down our throats? This is the exact hypocrisy that I wrote about.
Plenty of conservatives objected to parts of the Patriot Act, so don't act as if everyone was happy with it.
The facts and information that have come to light today, are also much different then we were led to believe back in Bush's first term. Being opposed to the government crossing a line, that they said they would not cross, and objecting to it, is a justified position to take. The Republicans in Bushes first and second term were not conservatives, they were big government neocons. We spent quite a few elections cycles kicking out the liberal, Democratic-lite versions of Republicans.
We supported Bush's use of wire taps when we were told NSA would target phone calls made by known terrorists, including the people they were calling. We did not support a broadly cast intel gathering net that captures the entire nation's phone calls, emails, tweets, texts, and web sites we all visit on the internet.
Are you claiming that is the policy of the Obama administration?
This article details how the program started under Bush, and Obama is concerned about it and is considering ending it.
"Snowden, a 30-year-old former employee of NSA contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, has been leaking classified documents to the media detailing how the US government under President George W. Bush, then Barack Obama, has collected the phone and Internet communications and relevant records pertaining to millions of Americans on a daily basis."
Are you claiming that is the policy of the Obama administration?
Of course it is! Unless you think Obama and his entire admin are freaking ignorant of this crap as well.
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This article details how the program started under Bush, and Obama is concerned about it and is considering ending it.
Obama has been president for almost five years, if he did not approve of what the NSA is doing, he would have ended it, in fact, some news reports claim Obama has only expanded the scope and reach of the Patriot Act and the NSA's data mining.
It's part of the mong cycle's "root root root for the home team"... that's fine in sports to boo when the opposing team does something, but then cheer when your team does the exact same thing. But if you do that for things that actually matter, like politics, etc. then you are firmly entrenched in the mong cycle.
1. Identify the mong cycle (blindly supporting someone/something regardless of common sense)
2. Reject the mong cycle (if you oppose something, oppose it no matter who is making the policy; if you support something, support it regardless of who is making the policy - ie. if you think torturing people is wrong, don't just call Bush a war criminal for doing it, call Obama one too)
3. Profit (live a better life by not having to adjust your morals every 4-8 years when all of a sudden you think you have to support something that you know is wrong)
We supported Bush's use of wire taps when we were told NSA would target phone calls made by known terrorists, including the people they were calling. We did not support a broadly cast intel gathering net that captures the entire nation's phone calls, emails, tweets, texts, and web sites we all visit on the internet.
You supported illegal wiretaps under Bush, if not for Comey this practice would have gone on for another 4 years yet you criticize Obama for being a dictator, seems rather hypocritical to say the least.
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There, he eventually confronted White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales, who were trying to get the pancreatitis-stricken
******** to renew a still secret and illegal surveillance program on Americans'
electronic communications. Neither ******** nor Comey, then acting attorney
general because of ********'s condition, would reauthorize the program. When
Gonzales authorized the program to go forward without a Justice Department
certification, Comey threatened to resign, along with his staff and FBI
Director Robert Mueller.
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funny boy...
