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Although I think your question is not genuine, but rather a loaded question to facilitate your personal opinion of blacks, I'll entertain it a bit. I don't think that there is an authentic "black" experience. I'm a black male with several other black friends, and many of our life experiences differ. I personally have the "Professor Griff" experience and believe that most of our aggregate experiences are unique to us as individuals.
However, I do share some common experiences with many other blacks, specifically, that I've found many whites and people of other races do not directly relate to. I still do not consider those things enough to be labeled a uniquely black experience, but I can't deny some of the cultural experiences that I share with other black people. The term "black experience", in my opinion, has been used to evoke sympathy from whites and render certain blacks as invalid (Don Lemon was accused of not having lived the "black experience", based on his biting opinions, despite the fact that he lives in Harlem). In reality, there's no such thing.
And I have yet to see a full black person play a mixed person in any movie...they did it in Roots and even back then people were like "Ah, Chicken George looks more African than Kunta Kente".
And movie casts are a VERY BAD INDICATOR of what people are perceived as. I posted several links to polls and data showing that mixed people are not taken as either black or white by American society, but people refuse to see facts and instead make appeals to emotions.
First, "historically" in America, thanks to the now dead one drop rule, blacks and mixed were lumped together. Everywhere else on Earth, that was not the case. The Pardo of Brazil have a different culture than Afro-Brazilians, the Basters are their own people in Namibia, the Creole are not black, the Coloureds of South Africa have their own people and own experience etc. Only in America did the "one drop rule" established by dead white supremacy, make that history not happen. But, in the year 2013, we are starting to see America fall more in line with the rest of the planet.
And Obozzo is mixed...he suffers from extreme self-hatred of his white side, but he's still mixed and Africans don't consider him black.
"As I imagined myself following Malcolm X’s call, one line in his book stayed me. He spoke of his wish that the white blood that ran through him, there by an act of violence, might somehow be expunged. I knew that, for Malcolm, that wish would never be incidental. I knew as well that traveling down the road to self-respect my own white blood would never recede into mere abstraction. I was left to wonder what else I would be severing if and when I left my mother at some uncharted border." Source: Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p. 80 Aug 1, 1996
I want it to be known, that in general I reject the whole idea of racial categorizations.
Were, were and were. Past tense. This is the present we are talking about. 2,000 years ago, the Celts and the Jews were enslaved and forced to lick my ancestor's sandals clean...do they still lament the fact that their ancestors licked Roman sandals? No, they understand that times have changed. Blacks should do the same.
People of African descent now share no one experience, anymore than French, English and Spanish all share the same experience as victims of Rome.
First, we are discussing American society. So your opinion about how other cultures that aren't the US sees racial identity is irrelevant.
The reason you don't see black actors playing a biracial person is because there aren't roles for biracial people in movies.
Although I do remember in one of the Jurassic Park movies that J. Goldbloom character had a daughter who is black.
Movies are an excellent indicator 1000% times better than your personal opinion.
Again, according to you, how people personally identify themselves or their actual ancestry is irrelevant if other people don't deem them biracial. SMH
So more people saying I am mixed race does not mean that other Americans see them as mixed race, and again according to you other peoples judgment of your racial identity is all that matters. SMH
You don't get it, if times have changed then why do we still have these ridiculous racial categories that were forced upon people by force and white supremacy?
Can those with African ancestry who are now called black, choose to say that racial category that was forced upon us is invalid and we no longer will be considered a skin color? If they can't what has changed? The racial identity is still being forced upon them.
So on the one had you insist that there is no black experience, but on the other you hold fast to these racial categories. You make no sense.
So, you go on and on about the past, but have nothing to say about the present. In the present, mixed is not black. In the present, African immigrants have next to nothing in common with American blacks. In the present, suburban blacks have nothing in common with ghetto blacks. This is THE PRESENT.
The French and the Belgiumese are two different people...but to my ancestors? They considered them all Gaulish barbarians. Roman society considered them all Gauls. It didn't matter how they say themselves, Roman and hence European society defined them as all Gauls. So...are you saying that the French and the Belgiumese should not consider themselves as separate people today?
If your answer is no, than why should African immigrants, suburban blacks, ghetto blacks and mixed people all go by equally outdated standards?
So, you say the French and the Belgiumese should have it one way but Americans of African descent shouldn't have it the same way? THAT'S Racist!
I don't know why you keep insisting to speak for millions of people who aren't you. You don't know what other people have in common.
Yet you miss the point completely, the only reason these people are considered black is because of white supremacy and racism. If you get rid of racial categories, then those groups of people wont necessarily be thought of having anything in common. Don't you see the very things you complain about are the fault of the creation and continued enforcement of race onto groups of people.
I have written repeatedly that race is a terrible way to categorize human beings, that it is not natural, that it was a perversion forced on the world by white supremacy and the enslavement of Africans.
If you want that to stop then you attack white supremacy and the white racial identity which are the core of why racial categories exist.
I know this doesn't mean anything but some mixed people play mixed rolls like Jessica Szohr plays a mixed person on Gossip Girl. Her mom is black and played by Gina Torres. But I never watched the show or anything...
So, I guess the mixed race people being oppressed by the black dominated South African government is also "white supremacy"
All say it again: the rest of the world goes by phenotype, not genotype. You can say you're whatever you want, but if you look it, you're it. Just as Rebecca Hall is white despite having a little black blood from way back Wesley Snipes is black despite maybe having white blood from way back. At the same time, Slash is mixed because he looks mixed.
I say the same thing to the blonde haired, blue eyed guy who insist "he's Native American" And it's always Cherokee....
Mulattoes don't look back. Again, does Slash look black? Everyone knows it. I have yet to see a black person be mistaken for an Arab or a South Asian.
And if Rebecca Hall tried to tell me or anyone else she was mixed, she would get laughed at. Let's just be real: black people and mixed people look different. Rule of thumb: if you've never been mistaken for another group that you have no ancestors in common with (other than cavemen) and/or people ask you "ah, what are you?", you're not mixed.
You're the one saying everybody with a deep tan is black. I am saying this: THERE IS NO REAL BLACK EXPERIENCE! Successful blacks have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN COMMON with Tyrone Hightower in jail for selling crack and with three babies by three women. You are the one pushing that racist "brotha and sista's" identity politics line.
I am not saying anything, but that racial categories are invalid because there foundation is white supremacy and the white racial identity.
You are the one defending the status quo with your insistence that "if that if you look it, you are it". LOLOLOLOLOL
The fact that you don't see the irony of a poster who was just so p/o that other black people said you were black because evidently to them you "looked it so you are it", is truly amazing.
Who cares what you'd say about someones racial identity? Again, I thought you were at least for people identifying how they choose, but of course not.
You don't want black Americans correctly noting all of their racial heritages by correctly calling themselves multiracial or biracial instead of just black.
So to keep black people in just the black category, you switch up to well if you "look it then you are it", which again is the whole reason why the majority of biracial people with one black parent are considered black, because to many people they "look it so they are it". LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Yet, you were upset about black people so called claiming biracial people with one black parent, but obviously using your thinking if to black people "they look it, then they are it", what are you not understanding? They are using your kind of thinking on the issue.
I have written repeatedly now that there are multiple black experiences. I have written repeatedly that race is a terrible way to categorize human beings that these racial identities were forced onto people.
In America it is RACE that ties all those identified as black together.
If you don't want middle class black people or African immigrant or biracial people with one black parent not identified with poor black people, then you get rid of these bogus racial identities that are forced onto those people.
You destroy the idea of race period.
To do that though you have to attack white supremacy and the white racial identity.
I know this doesn't mean anything but some mixed people play mixed rolls like Jessica Szohr plays a mixed person on Gossip Girl. Her mom is black and played by Gina Torres. But I never watched the show or anything...
It rarely, happens. Most so called mixed actors with one black parent play black characters of movies.
There are very few roles written for a mixed race person with one black parent.
That is something that, in all honestly, I have noticed from many blacks. Going on and on about racism, slavery etc and never actually doing anything to pick themselves up. I have seen black guys in the ghetto with a crack pipe in one hand, a forty ounce in the other, screaming about how "the white man is keeping him back"
Just wanted to point out you are doing the same thing as the bold above lol and throw in one of your !! LOL again.
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So, I guess the mixed race people being oppressed by the black dominated South African government is also "white supremacy"
LOL again, you are just pure comedy in this thread...black South Africans oppressing the coloureds lol. Coloureds are still degrees above the majority black population in South Africa since they benefitted from being lighter than the darker "blacks." And you do realize that the new South African, black majority government has only been in power about 20 years right. You are just too much!! White supremacy is the reason that coloureds, blacks, Indians, and Asians were discriminated against in South Africa in the past and today.
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I know this doesn't mean anything but some mixed people play mixed rolls like Jessica Szohr plays a mixed person on Gossip Girl. Her mom is black and played by Gina Torres. But I never watched the show or anything...
The Rock, Duane (or Dwayne can't remember the spelling) Johnson has played a bi-racial person in his movies. The one where he goes around beating up the guys in the casino comes to mind. He had a black father and white mother like in real life.
And there have been quite a few movies and shows where a black person (though probably not totally African blood since practically all black Americans have some white or other ancestry) has played a mixed person. You can look at various soap operas for this and the guy from the show The Game, Pooch Hall currently plays a mixed person on the Showtime show Ray Donovan. Practically every half black character I have seen on TV and in movies is played by a regular black person. The only one that I remember that wasn't was The Rock (with his fine self - had to throw that in there). In contrast, you rarely see a half black person play a white character.
And FWIW, I don't know how anyone would think W.E.B DuBois was white . He had nappy hair and wasn't that light. My dad is lighter than he was. Look up an old pic of him from the late 50s/60s before he died that was in color. If someone thought he was white, then I bet there were a lot of black "passers" in your community years ago lol.
First, we are discussing American society. So your opinion about how other cultures that aren't the US sees racial identity is irrelevant.
The reason you don't see black actors playing a biracial person is because there aren't roles for biracial people in movies.
Although I do remember in one of the Jurassic Park movies that J. Goldbloom character had a daughter who is black.
Movies are an excellent indicator 1000% times better than your personal opinion.
For the tenth time, I'm giving facts, not an opinion (which is all you're giving)
" A May 1997 article in Time magazine looked at the reaction to Woods' statement on Oprah. "Kerboom! a mini-racial fire storm erupted. Woods' remarks infuriated many African Americans who hailed his record-setting triumph at the Masters as a symbol of racial progress but see him as a traitor. To them Woods appeared to be running away from being an African American ... In their rush to judgment, the fearful apparently never stopped to consider that Woods was not turning his back on any part of his identity but instead was embracing every aspect of it." Fast-forward to November 2006 and in a 2006 Zogby International poll, 55% of whites considered Obama as biracial after being told that Obama's mother was white and his Kenyan father was black. Even more Hispanics -- 61% -- also saw Obama as biracial. But interestingly, 66% of the blacks polled classified Obama as black" How Far Have We Really Come from the "One-Drop Rule"? | PR Watch Americans rank mixed race people ahead of blacks socially | theGrio
And yes, there isn't must representation of mixed race people in the media, I agree.
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Again, according to you, how people personally identify themselves or their actual ancestry is irrelevant if other people don't deem them biracial. SMH
If you have one Cherokee great, great grandfather it would be idiotic to say "I'm a Cherokee princess" as so many whites and blacks do. Likewise, if you have a little blood of something way back in the family tree it's idiotic to get hung up on it.
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So more people saying I am mixed race does not mean that other Americans see them as mixed race, and again according to you other peoples judgment of your racial identity is all that matters. SMH
I just posted two links to facts stating that they are seen as mixed race. You've pointed to no facts.
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You don't get it, if times have changed then why do we still have these ridiculous racial categories that were forced upon people by force and white supremacy?
Because black supremacy is keeping them alive now.
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Can those with African ancestry who are now called black, choose to say that racial category that was forced upon us is invalid and we no longer will be considered a skin color? If they can't what has changed? The racial identity is still being forced upon them.
For the most part, they aren't. People worry more about culture and mannerisms than they do race, a fact that people like Jesse Jackson refuse to admit. If you're educated, articulate, and well mannered people will generally respect you. Most of the issues facing blacks stem from the ghetto culture so many of them embrace in the name of authenticity. Then, when parading around in baggy pants, speaking jive and misbehaving gets them into trouble with the law and lack of job opportunities, they say "I'se been mistreated and cause ise be black"
It is a telling fact that most poor "white trash" people don't get the same excuses and are said to have "the white experience." They are white trash, that's why they are having such a hard time. At the same notion, it is not that black people are black that causes them so much grief, but rather that so many of them are N ^^^^s.
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So on the one had you insist that there is no black experience, but on the other you hold fast to these racial categories. You make no sense.
I am saying they exist as people perceive others and as they perceive themselves, but other than that, there isn't much there. White America looks at me as a well mannered...ah, Arab? South Asian? Dominican? And as a man who grew up around blacks in a black trash city, and has mostly trashy blacks in his family, I feel absolutely no connection to blacks. Hence, I do not have any black experience.
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You're the one saying everybody with a deep tan is black. I am saying this: THERE IS NO REAL BLACK EXPERIENCE! Successful blacks have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN COMMON with Tyrone Hightower in jail for selling crack and with three babies by three women. You are the one pushing that racist "brotha and sista's" identity politics line.
. He had nappy hair and wasn't that light. My dad is lighter than he was. Look up an old pic of him from the late 50s/60s before he died that was in color. If someone thought he was white, then I bet there were a lot of black "passers" in your community years ago lol.
And as a man who grew up around blacks in a black trash city, and has mostly trashy blacks in his family, I feel absolutely no connection to blacks. Hence, I do not have any black experience.
