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Old 07-17-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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The difference betwee SYG and self defense is that SYG removes the duty to retreat.

If you are being straddled by your assailant, you are no longer expected to retreat even under self defense.

So I am not sure why the jury instructions included it.
Well put.

And if the goal is to reduce violence and save lives, including your own, the smart thing to do is always to retreat, if you can.

There are instances of people leaving their homes, where they were safe, in order to "stand their ground", and slaying a fleeing burglar or someone who never even entered their home to begin with. To me, that is taking things too far.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: MS
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Well put.

And if the goal is to reduce violence and save lives, including your own, the smart thing to do is always to retreat, if you can.

There are instances of people leaving their homes, where they were safe, in order to "stand their ground", and slaying a fleeing burglar or someone who never even entered their home to begin with. To me, that is taking things too far.
Please cite at least one instance where the shooter wasn't charged. A fleeing person, most of the time, is no danger to you or others and shooting them is murder.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:13 PM
 
Location: california
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Well in england if a burgler enters your home, you are suppose to leave.
Don't you want to life there ?
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It's become very clear that many people who want to render an opinion on this subject have an extremely limited understanding of THE LAW.....

If you don't like a law, you have every right to try and change that law, however, don't try and punish someone who was well within the law.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Please cite at least one instance where the shooter wasn't charged. A fleeing person, most of the time, is no danger to you or others and shooting them is murder.
I believe there was one instance actually. There was a man who witnessed someone breaking in to their neighbors home, called 911 and told the operator he was going out to shoot the burglar, which he did, and I don't think he was charged.

That is just asinine.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:17 PM
 
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Well put.

And if the goal is to reduce violence and save lives, including your own, the smart thing to do is always to retreat, if you can.

There are instances of people leaving their homes, where they were safe, in order to "stand their ground", and slaying a fleeing burglar or someone who never even entered their home to begin with. To me, that is taking things too far.
Please provide one case where a fleeing burglar was shot and the shooter was not charged due to SYG.

Just one case please.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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I believe there was one instance actually. There was a man who witnessed someone breaking in to their neighbors home, called 911 and told the operator he was going out to shoot the burglar, which he did, and I don't think he was charged.

That is just asinine.
Wrong case.

You are referring to Joe Horn's case. It's not a case about SYG. It's about protecting property with force which is totally legal under Texas law.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Well in england if a burgler enters your home, you are suppose to leave.
Don't you want to life there ?
Liberalism at it's finest....

Castle Doctrine is an excellent law. You come in to my home uninvited to steal or harm me or mine, I have every right to shoot you dead, and that's the way it should be.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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Liberalism at it's finest....

Castle Doctrine is an excellent law. You come in to my home uninvited to steal or harm me or mine, I have every right to shoot you dead, and that's the way it should be.

The law is a little broader than that. If someone enters your home with force, he's presumed to have the intention to do harm. You are within your legal rights to shoot to stop him.

Now, if you left your door wide open and someone walks in, you absolutely cannot shoot him for that.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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Please provide one case where a fleeing burglar was shot and the shooter was not charged due to SYG.

Just one case please.
The one in Texas where the neighbor shot two young black home robbers as they were fleeing from, and with, the neighbor's property.
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