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Old 07-24-2013, 07:29 PM
 
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What kind of model is it that they've always wanted?
I'll let a radical tell you in his own words. Too bad he wouldn't be honest and let the people decide...


Obama on single payer health insurance - YouTube
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:37 PM
 
Location: west mich
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I'll let a radical tell you in his own words. Too bad he wouldn't be honest and let the people decide...


Obama on single payer health insurance - YouTube
Single payer is exactly what we should have, and it is "radical" only in your RW corporate-fascist mind.
Not only that, but it is eventually going to happen over the objections of the fascist Right - so you can just get ready. If we get the "public option" you will be free to continue paying your corporate heroes. Problem is, when they drop you after paying all those premiums, you will come crying for assistance to the "socialist" program.
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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HHS Admits: You Might Not Be Able to Keep Your Doctor Under Obamacare | The Weekly Standard

Just like many other aspects of this bill, that we've been telling you since the beginning. They finally somewhat admit it.
And?? Every time I've had to change insurance companies, or my job changed insurance companies on me, I've had to change doctors. Insurance companies do that. So your point was....?
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Single payer is exactly what we should have, and it is "radical" only in your RW corporate-fascist mind.
Not only that, but it is eventually going to happen over the objections of the fascist Right - so you can just get ready. If we get the "public option" you will be free to continue paying your corporate heroes. Problem is, when they drop you after paying all those premiums, you will come crying for assistance to the "socialist" program.
Why yes!! Don't you know it's radical to have a child with leukemia, and not have to pay anything out of pocket?
Damned hippies!

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His Secret Service members have organized a website and 50-mile motorcycle

ride through Maine - where Bush resides - to help pay for Patrick's medical

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Bush One Shaves His Head To Fit In...
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:18 PM
 
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Single payer is exactly what we should have, and it is "radical" only in your RW corporate-fascist mind.
Not only that, but it is eventually going to happen over the objections of the fascist Right - so you can just get ready. If we get the "public option" you will be free to continue paying your corporate heroes. Problem is, when they drop you after paying all those premiums, you will come crying for assistance to the "socialist" program.
Besides all your bloviating and little brain nonsense spewing, if we get singlepayer, with it you'll have to pay the price. You don't have unlimited funds which means you'll be paying in the service provided. It'll be diminished, it'll be rationed and you'll be paying homage to death panels. Something liberals are all about.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:28 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Besides all your bloviating and little brain nonsense spewing, if we get singlepayer, with it you'll have to pay the price. You don't have unlimited funds which means you'll be paying in the service provided. It'll be diminished, it'll be rationed and you'll be paying homage to death panels. Something liberals are all about.
You truly don't know that when you are diagnosed with an illness, your doctor begs your insurance company for coverage, and if it's serious they convene a panel to discuss if you are too expensive for them and must be dropped or denied - all based on cost and their short-term profit? Suddenly you are a liability to them - not good business. Here is your "death panel". This is how your deregulated insurance industry operates. Unbelievable.
I hate to suggest it, but with a little homework you will find that single payer doesn't have death panels - despite what RW guru Sarah Palin says. Your fate is in the hand of doctors, and corporate CEOs are out of the picture.
What will you do when you insurance company drops you? Got a friend who can remove your appendix? Somebody in your church? Your next door neighbor? Maybe a drinking buddy? Lucky you.
You really don't know any of this? - or are you just on the payroll...

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Old 07-25-2013, 04:16 AM
 
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You truly don't know that when you are diagnosed with an illness, your doctor begs your insurance company for coverage, and if it's serious they convene a panel to discuss if you are too expensive for them and must be dropped or denied - all based on cost and their short-term profit? Suddenly you are a liability to them - not good business. Here is your "death panel". This is how your deregulated insurance industry operates. Unbelievable.
I hate to suggest it, but with a little homework you will find that single payer doesn't have death panels - despite what RW guru Sarah Palin says. Your fate is in the hand of doctors, and corporate CEOs are out of the picture.
What will you do when you insurance company drops you? Got a friend who can remove your appendix? Somebody in your church? Your next door neighbor? Maybe a drinking buddy? Lucky you.
You really don't know any of this? - or are you just on the payroll...
Oh, that's right. I forget that it's freeeeeeee!

No wonder liberals think that they've come up with a utopian solution. So long as it's other people's money they feel like they can run around like Lil Wayne and make it "rain" on everyone.

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Franz Knieps: There was no single lever we used for cost containment. Instead, we implemented a large number of minor measures to stabilize the health system’s income and expenditures. In the past 20 years, our overriding philosophy has been that the health system cannot spend more than its income.

The minor measures were implemented at every level of the health system. For example, each year we establish an overall budget for the system at the national level to serve as a guide for all participants in the system. Virtual budgets are also set up at the regional levels; these ensure that all participants in the system—including the health insurance funds and providers—know from the beginning of the year onward how much money can be spent.

In addition, we carefully control all types of spending. We contract with office-based doctors for their services, we use DRGs [diagnosis-related groups] to reimburse for hospital care, and we have specific regulations for drug expenditures. We have also introduced incentives that encourage everyone to avoid unnecessary expenditures.

Franz Knieps: A few years ago, we introduced disease-management programs, an approach we adopted from the United States. Because that country has so many different health insurance plans, it is often a laboratory for new ideas. Some US health insurers are using disease-management programs to improve the quality of care delivery while managing costs. We were impressed by the results these insurers were obtaining, and so we decided to implement similar programs in Germany.

We now have disease-management programs for patients with heart disease, diabetes, and some other common chronic conditions. The programs were designed using evidence-based guidelines, which ensures that the treatments included in the programs’ protocols are the most effective ones available.

How Germany is reining in health care costs: An interview with Franz Knieps | McKinsey & Company
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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You truly don't know that when you are diagnosed with an illness, your doctor begs your insurance company for coverage, and if it's serious they convene a panel to discuss if you are too expensive for them and must be dropped or denied - all based on cost and their short-term profit? Suddenly you are a liability to them - not good business. Here is your "death panel". This is how your deregulated insurance industry operates. Unbelievable.
I hate to suggest it, but with a little homework you will find that single payer doesn't have death panels - despite what RW guru Sarah Palin says. Your fate is in the hand of doctors, and corporate CEOs are out of the picture.
What will you do when you insurance company drops you? Got a friend who can remove your appendix? Somebody in your church? Your next door neighbor? Maybe a drinking buddy? Lucky you.
You really don't know any of this? - or are you just on the payroll...
The insurance companies' profit motto: DENY, DELAY, DON'T PAY.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I'll let a radical tell you in his own words. Too bad he wouldn't be honest
and let the people decide...
A New York Times/CBS News poll released last week shows, yet again, that the majority of Americans support national health insurance.
The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30 years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems.”
Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise.
Healthcare-NOW! - Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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Single payer to a liberal = somebody else pays but me.
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