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Old 07-27-2013, 01:29 AM
 
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Elizabeth Hofacre indicated in yesterdays testimony that she was waiting on guidance from the Washington Office and you believe that this is out of the ordinary for a bureaucracy. Surely you must have other examples somewhere where a government agency didn't complete a project on time.






What happened to it being "rogue agents" in Cincinnati?
That was the Washington claim.
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Old 07-27-2013, 05:53 AM
 
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What happened to it being "rogue agents" in Cincinnati?
That was the Washington claim.
It was the "fog of war" (snickers).
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:24 AM
 
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From The Hill - The IRS subjected conservative groups already granted tax-exempt status to additional scrutiny during the 2012 election cycle, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) charged on Monday.
Tax-exempt groups were IRS targets - The Hill's On The Money

So the IRS didn't just target groups applying for tax-exempt status, it looks like they targeted groups that already had that status in an attempt to deter their activities.

The group..."It faced “invasive questions” — including about its interns and where they went on to work — and ended up turning over to the IRS more than 23,000 pages of documents at a cost of roughly $50,000 to comply with the inquiry, Issa said."

And you folks were hoping this scandal was going away just because the MSM refuses to cover it.
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Old 07-30-2013, 04:17 PM
 
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Conservatives Asked 3 Times as Many Questions on Average


100% of “Progressives” Approved While Less than Half of Conservative Groups Approved


Conservative Groups Still Have Almost 60 Cases Outstanding or
Withdrawn While Progressives Have None


New Analysis Confirms Conservative Groups Faced More Questions, Denials and Delays than Progressive Groups | House Committee on Ways & Means

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Old 08-01-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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The Hearings continue and more information drips out (although it's not reported much ) - Carney and Obama say it's "phony", the Democrats say "it's over", they are now attacking the Treasury Department Inspector General. The hearings this week expanded to show that Lois Lerner (former Election Commission Employee) was sharing tax information with the Election Commission about "conservative groups" ..... which is illegal, but it's also a secret (shhhh).

Records Show IRS and Elections Commission Colluded Against Conservative Groups

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The IRS has been under siege since May when agency officials acknowledged that agents working in a Cincinnati office had improperly targeted tea party groups for extra scrutiny when they applied for tax-exempt status. Now, correspondence discovered by the House Ways and Means Committee, and obtained by National Review, suggests targeting conservative groups extended beyond the IRS and into the elections commission.

A lawyer from the FEC's enforcement division received tax information about the status of the conservative American Future Fund. The attorney reportedly then recommended the FEC prosecute the group for violations of campaign-finance law.

The timing of the correspondence suggests that the lawyer obtained the information in order to influence the FEC's vote for conservative groups' applying for tax-exempt status, the National Review Online reports.

But in its recommendation, the general counsel's office reportedly did not tell the election agency's six commissioners how it had obtained the information about the group's tax-exempt status. The office is prohibited under law from conducting an investigation into an organization before the commissioners have voted to do so.
Obama first said it was an "outrage", then it became "phony" as more information came out ...... so, what to do?

How about a New IRS Commissioner ..... that should take the eye off the ball. Poor Werfer (former Obama Budget Sequester Implementer, now interim IRS Top Dog) is just worn out (and I bet he is tired of "testimony")

Here's come the proposed new Top Dog at the IRS.

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Obama picks government trouble-shooter Koskinen to lead IRS - Reuters News Service
"John is an expert at turning around institutions in need of reform," Obama said in a statement. "John knows how to lead in difficult times ... I am confident that John will do whatever it takes to restore the public's trust in the agency."
WHAT????? "reform"? I thought this was an "outrage" that turned into a "phony" deal that was "over". Now it needs some reform?

John could be the perfect guy for this - he is a physicist who has never spent a day in a physics related field. He has worked for Union Pensions, he has headed up Freddie Mac for some years and was on the Executive Board, he has led a couple US Soccer organizations, he led the Y2K scare in Washington, he served in Clinton's OMB, he was the Deputy Mayor of Washington, D.C. and participated in the Kerner Report in the 60's (this was about Race Riots). He says Y2K was the most "fun" and the Deputy Mayor of Washington D.C. (this might have been under Marion Berry) was the "hardest". I think poor John is going to top his career in "hard job". Even poor Danny Werfel is worried about how nobody respects them anymore and by the way - he want's a "waiver" so that the IRS folks don't have to deal what that nasty ObamaCare that the "little people" they rule over have to abide by.

John Koskinen sounds PERFECT for the job - no Tax experience at all, but he didn't have any Mortgage Experience or Soccer Experience either - "John" is 72 and retired from Freddie Mac earlier this year, he is back in the harness again. He first worked for LBJ and hasn't missed a Democratic President since LBJ. Bush Jr is the Prez that got him onto the Freddie Mac Executive Board - the next thing that John knew - he was running the whole thing.

Life is all about "change", you just never know when you might be in control of the United States Internal Revenue Service.
In today's world - it's a Revolving Door trying to manage the fall-out.
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Old 08-01-2013, 06:29 PM
 
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Lois Lerner email shows that she shared tax payer information with federal election commission

During the course of the committee's investigation of political targeting by the Internal Revenue Service, the committee identified electronic mail between a high-ranking official at the IRS and the Federal Elections Commission that brings into question whether the IRS has inappropriately shared confidential tax information with the FEC.

Copies of the six exchanges show Lerner’s name several times as the sender and receiver. And in the first email, the sender is identified as an attorney in the FEC’s enforcement division although the person's name is redacted

Read more: House panel probing whether IRS-FEC 'inappropriately' shared confidential tax information | Fox News
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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Isn't funny how we suddenly have this entirely new group of official wording.

White Hispanic - oops, we didn't know he was Hispanic, we thought he was Jewish
Inappropriate - translation, we did wrong and lied about it, but it it now we can forget about it.
Mis-spoke - we lied & got caught in the Lie, but now it's OK
Correct the error - nothing to see here folks, all fixed now
Fired - early retirement or on leave with pay, and will be back in the job when nobody is looking.

The Mass Media loves this stuff ......
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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The Internal Revenue Service's scandalous targeting of tea party and conservative groups refuses to die, as one by one the administration's explanations prove untrue.

Bradley Smith: The IRS Attack on Political Speech - WSJ.com

We were told that the White House, like the rest of the country, learned about the program on May 10 through a planted question asked of then IRS official Lois Lerner at an American Bar Association conference. Turns out the White House knew earlier. We were told the targeting was the work of a few rogue IRS employees in Cincinnati. Then those employees insisted that they were being managed from Washington.

We were told that no political appointees were involved, but now we know the scandal goes at least to the office of Obama appointee and IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins. We were told that liberal groups were targeted, too. But then the IRS's inspector general, whose report exposed the harassment, clarified that only conservative groups were targeted.
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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The Internal Revenue Service's scandalous targeting of tea party and conservative groups refuses to die, as one by one the administration's explanations prove untrue.

Bradley Smith: The IRS Attack on Political Speech - WSJ.com

We were told that the White House, like the rest of the country, learned about the program on May 10 through a planted question asked of then IRS official Lois Lerner at an American Bar Association conference. Turns out the White House knew earlier. We were told the targeting was the work of a few rogue IRS employees in Cincinnati. Then those employees insisted that they were being managed from Washington.

We were told that no political appointees were involved, but now we know the scandal goes at least to the office of Obama appointee and IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins. We were told that liberal groups were targeted, too. But then the IRS's inspector general, whose report exposed the harassment, clarified that only conservative groups were targeted.
Wow, a WSJ opinion piece. That's credible.

"Being managed from Washington." The IRS HQ is in Washington. So what? The IRS DID also target liberal groups, in spite of what this op-ed says.

IRS scrutinized some liberal groups - David Nather - POLITICO.com
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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The IRS says they only singled out groups that ran counter to the presidents agenda.
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