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Many of them could work. Many of them could indeed work the fields that farmers say they can not find workers for.
This past weekend I visited the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic asylum. (It's on the historical record under that name). While without question many questionable and completely inexcusable things were done to the mentally ill over the decades of this hospital but for over 100 years they were self sufficient. Those who lived there ran the power plant on-sight. They raised cattle and crops. Those in transition were permitted to get jobs in town.
There were indeed positive outcomes along with the unfortunate. It was noted that in the 1970's it was ruled that it was wrong to have the mentally ill actually hold down jobs. Within a short time the hospital was closed.
So now they are in a new hospital that doesn't allow them to learn a trade.
Democrats believe work is cruel except of course for illegals, they don't want anyone else to be productive and useful. Work is therapeutic actually. It benefits people to be productive.
If there's any group that needs to assert its civil rights it's the severely mentally ill.
Being in solitary confinement is enough to drive a sane man insane. Solitary confinement for the severely mentally ill amounts to torture, and someone should be fighting for these people!
The measure of a society and a nation is how humanely it treats its weakest and most vulnerable citizens. The U.S. fails miserably on this measure.
That's what happened to the prisons in Alberta. Were totally self sufficient.
Raised cattle, chickens, crops and had a wishing pond with sturgeon for donations.
70's came and were told it's inhumane. Can't even stamp license plates now.
Are we talking prisons or facilities for the mentally ill?
In Quebec, the prisons have contracts to do hospital laundry, as well as training programs.
Democrats believe work is cruel except of course for illegals, they don't want anyone else to be productive and useful. Work is therapeutic actually. It benefits people to be productive.
I would like to see the law that said it was illegal for the mentally ill to hold jobs. Are you sure it wasn't more about protecting them from being forced to work to make money for others, as in the infamous Irish laundries?
If an inmate had cancer, would we lock them in solitary and deny them treatment?
These people need medical treatment, and help. In the one hour a day they are out of their cells they are obviously not receiving it. This is outrageous.
They were deemed inhumane so I guess being homeless and living under a bridge and begging for money or being incarcarated is the alternative we ended up with.
Exactly. No one will ever convince me that the reason they closed them was because they were deemed inhumane. While they may have been and probably were inhumane, improvements could have been made to change that around. But, people who were ignorant about the problem kept screaming about the institutions being inhuman and that combined with state government wanting to save money so they opened the doors, pushed everyone out and closed the place. So they should either have improved what they had or had supports in place for the transition and thereafter. It was all about the money saved by the closings. This also applies to those that are developmentally disabled since they wanted them in the communities which saved the state money but are not giving the support needed in the communities. All about the state saving money so they can build fancy parking garages for government officials/workers (KS) instead of spend it on the people who need services.
Exactly. No one will ever convince me that the reason they closed them was because they were deemed inhumane. While they may have been and probably were inhumane, improvements could have been made to change that around. But, people who were ignorant about the problem kept screaming about the institutions being inhuman and that combined with state government wanting to save money so they opened the doors, pushed everyone out and closed the place. So they should either have improved what they had or had supports in place for the transition and thereafter. It was all about the money saved by the closings. This also applies to those that are developmentally disabled since they wanted them in the communities which saved the state money but are not giving the support needed in the communities. All about the state saving money so they can build fancy parking garages for government officials/workers (KS) instead of spend it on the people who need services.
The same thing is happening now, except with the developmentally disabled instead of the mentally ill. Here in NJ, Christie has closed developmental centers (which housed hundreds of DD) left and right. It's to save money, no other reason.
The mentally ill, who are often homeless, require a tremendous amount of time, money, and resources to be dealt with. That's the first problem.
The second problem is this treatment endeavor is not very profitable except for a small percentage of folks.
It's just a sad state of affairs.
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Originally Posted by ocnjgirl
The same thing is happening now, except with the developmentally disabled instead of the mentally ill. Here in NJ, Christie has closed developmental centers (which housed hundreds of DD) left and right. It's to save money, no other reason.
It's a sad comment on this nation that we don't provide care for the most vulnerable of our citizens simply because we can't make a profit off of them.
Is there nothing in the U.S. that isn't reduced to making a profit? Sometimes things like moral decency, humanity, and compassion should over-ride concerns about profit.
It's a sad comment on this nation that we don't provide care for the most vulnerable of our citizens simply because we can't make a profit off of them.
Is there nothing in the U.S. that isn't reduced to making a profit? Sometimes things like moral decency, humanity, and compassion should over-ride concerns about profit.
Look element..we did at one time.
Rather than fix what was wrong in the asylums we shut the doors and let them wander the streets for the rest of their lives.
Locking them up was inhumane.
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