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Old 07-23-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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ACLU uncovers increased proportion of mentally ill inmates in solitary - The Denver Post
What else should we do with them? Give them some type of work?
Sad situation with no real solution.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Florida
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In Miami we store the sexually messed up people under a bridge. They wear GPS monitors so they can't leave without detection.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well asylums were deemed inhumane so we set them free decades ago.
They were supposed to "magically" get help from the community.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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ACLU uncovers increased proportion of mentally ill inmates in solitary - The Denver Post
What else should we do with them? Give them some type of work?
Sad situation with no real solution.
Many of them could work. Many of them could indeed work the fields that farmers say they can not find workers for.

This past weekend I visited the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic asylum. (It's on the historical record under that name). While without question many questionable and completely inexcusable things were done to the mentally ill over the decades of this hospital but for over 100 years they were self sufficient. Those who lived there ran the power plant on-sight. They raised cattle and crops. Those in transition were permitted to get jobs in town.

There were indeed positive outcomes along with the unfortunate. It was noted that in the 1970's it was ruled that it was wrong to have the mentally ill actually hold down jobs. Within a short time the hospital was closed.

So now they are in a new hospital that doesn't allow them to learn a trade.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Well asylums were deemed inhumane so we set them free decades ago.
They were supposed to "magically" get help from the community.
yep


85% of the homeless are mentally ill


..this started under CARTER....and was the liberals in congress that states institutions was ""in-humane""


Early 1980's: the liberal congress directed the Social Security Administration to pare the SSI and SSDI rolls. Social Security administrators responded by developing definitions of mental illness that diverged from those used in the past and those employed by mental health professionals. The resulting dislocations ultimately produced a public outcry that compelled the administration and Social Security to back down.
1981: The 1981 the Democrat controlled congress passed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act which repealed the provisions of the National Mental Health Systems Act, cut federal mental health and substance abuse allocations by twenty-five percent, and converted them to block grants disbursed with few strings attached. New York State, which used block-grant monies to fund community-based programs, and other states have to cut mental health programs.

1979 in Texas and around the country, state governments got this brilliant idea to close the state hospitals for being "inhumane" in favor of opening neighborhood outpatient centers. What they really wanted to do was take that money and blow it on their pet projects. All neighborhoods said not in our backyard. So you have mental patients on the street. Which incidentally indirectly affected Reagan personally when John Hinckley shot him.

Mayor Dianne Feinstein (now a us senator) gathered religious leaders together in 1982 to discuss a shocking wave of homeless people on city streets.

The solution, they thought, was to temporarily set up cots and soup kitchens in a few church basements.

What they didn't realize then was they faced the genesis of a generational crisis brought on by complicated social factors out of their control.

At the time, Feinstein said, she thought homelessness was only a temporary problem, and the solution was to provide short-term housing. Her attention was also split with the emerging AIDS epidemic.
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its like when you hear about the so-called ""AUTISM EPEDEMIC"""...prior to 1985 most childhoold autism was classified as """juvenile schitzipherenia"""(forgive my spelling) and retarded.....the percent of kids with (using an old outdated term) retardation/mental incompacity/autism has stayed mostly level...the difference is that instead of having 3 JS, 1 AUT, 6 retards (10 kids) out of 1000....now its just 10 autism/asperger out of 1000 (1 in 100)

the same with in the 80's when the liberals have many of the institutions closed because it was 'inhumane' to lock these people up....now they are the growing population of HOMELESS (85% of homeless at mentally ill).
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The problem with the mentally ill is that there really isn't some magic drug or treatment plan that will cure them all. They might decide they don't like some side effect of the drugs they were given and stop taking them. Or they might decide they like some of the street drugs better or in addition and make themselves worse.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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Many of them could work. Many of them could indeed work the fields that farmers say they can not find workers for.

This past weekend I visited the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic asylum. (It's on the historical record under that name). While without question many questionable and completely inexcusable things were done to the mentally ill over the decades of this hospital but for over 100 years they were self sufficient. Those who lived there ran the power plant on-sight. They raised cattle and crops. Those in transition were permitted to get jobs in town.

There were indeed positive outcomes along with the unfortunate. It was noted that in the 1970's it was ruled that it was wrong to have the mentally ill actually hold down jobs. Within a short time the hospital was closed.

So now they are in a new hospital that doesn't allow them to learn a trade.
That's what happened to the prisons in Alberta. Were totally self sufficient.
Raised cattle, chickens, crops and had a wishing pond with sturgeon for donations.
70's came and were told it's inhumane. Can't even stamp license plates now.
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:03 PM
 
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Europe has the same if not worse problem, 40% of the population.
Nearly 40 percent of Europeans suffer mental illness | Reuters
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Europe has the same if not worse problem, 40% of the population.
Nearly 40 percent of Europeans suffer mental illness | Reuters
Mental illness includes depression, anxiety and insomnia. Given the number of scripts written in the U.S. and self-medication, the U.S. is likely more ill than their European counterparts.

As for dementia....with 10,000 U.S. people a day turning 65 ............
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:03 PM
 
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Perhaps we should go back to good-old bad days of "warehousing" the mentally ill in state mental hospitals then?

Madness, Deinstitutionalization & Murder » Publications » The Federalist Society
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Perhaps we should go back to good-old bad days of "warehousing" the mentally ill in state mental hospitals then?

Madness, Deinstitutionalization & Murder » Publications » The Federalist Society
They were deemed inhumane so I guess being homeless and living under a bridge and begging for money or being incarcarated is the alternative we ended up with.
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