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Old 07-24-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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Except oil and gas production has risen under Obama.....
Which drives him nuts...............
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:42 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Boy, you guys really do buy into this fear mongering don't ya? This, wars on women, education, doctors...... the Dems really are low IQ voters

I am glad I don't run scared because some agenda driven politician tells me to
Lolz. I asked the poster a question.... What does your post have anything to do with anything?

All you are doing is showing your lack of education and low iq...
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Why not build a massive off-sore drilling Rig and drill down and tap into and capture and store it as fuel for busses and trains and slowly release the pressure build up?

All Doom and Gloom...I say why not tap into the positives of this and benefit from it and create some jobs and whole new industry out of this that helps our economy grow.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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What is amusing is even Schmidt from RC isn't touching this paper.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:46 PM
 
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Peer reviewed theories are still theories and not fact.

Fact: global temps rise and fall.

Theory: Man is causing it.

Fact: warmer in the MWP than now.

Fact: volcanos cause climate change.

Theory: Man causes climate change.

I will stick with facts.

Get back to me when theories become facts.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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As to the claims of the OP's paper:

Methane Hydrates and Contemporary Climate Change

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Conclusions

Catastrophic, widespread dissociation of methane gas hydrates will not be triggered by continued climate warming at contemporary rates (0.2ÂşC per decade; IPCC 2007) over timescales of a few hundred years. Most of Earth's gas hydrates occur at low saturations and in sediments at such great depths below the seafloor or onshore permafrost that they will barely be affected by warming over even 103 yr. Even when CH4 is liberated from gas hydrates, oxidative and physical processes may greatly reduce the amount that reaches the atmosphere as CH4. The CO2 produced by oxidation of CH4 released from dissociating gas hydrates will likely have a greater impact on the Earth system (e.g., on ocean chemistry and atmospheric CO2 concentrations; Archer et al. 2009) than will the CH4 that remains after passing through various sinks.

Contemporary and future gas hydrate degradation will occur primarily on the circum-Arctic Ocean continental shelves (Sector 2; Macdonald 1990, Lachenbruch et al. 1994, Maslin 2010), where subsea permafrost thawing and methane hydrate dissociation have been triggered by warming and inundation since Late Pleistocene time, and at the feather edge of the GHSZ on upper continental slopes (Sector 3), where the zone's full thickness can dissociate rapidly due to modest warming of intermediate waters. More CH4 may be sequestered in upper continental slope gas hydrates than in those associated with subsea permafrost; however, CH4 that reaches the seafloor from dissociating Arctic Ocean shelf gas hydrates is much more likely to enter the atmosphere rapidly and as CH4, not CO2. Proof is still lacking that gas hydrate dissociation currently contributes to seepage from upper continental slopes or to elevated seawater CH4 concentrations on circum-Arctic Ocean shelves. An even greater challenge for the future is determining the contribution of global gas hydrate dissociation to contemporary and future atmospheric CH4 concentrations.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Peer reviewed theories are still theories and not fact.

Fact: global temps rise and fall.

Theory: Man is causing it.

Fact: warmer in the MWP than now.

Fact: volcanos cause climate change.

Theory: Man causes climate change.

I will stick with facts.

Get back to me when theories become facts.
So, I guess you don't believe in gravity or evolution, either?
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:57 PM
 
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So, I guess you don't believe in gravity or evolution, either?

Gravity can be tested empirically and consistently establishes itself via proper scientific experiment.


CAGW can not establish itself through the same means as it is based on compounding assumptions.


Though I think his claim about the MWP is incorrect. There is debate as to the extent of MWP and our past peaks, though to be honest, my money is on the MWP being warmer as there is a lot of evidence that supports it.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:00 PM
 
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Please link to the papers that show the previous research was in error. Please show us the revised temp profile. Prove this lie.
It was disproved because of selective data that was massaged/revised to get the desired result.

Why you haven't heard any more about it.

Why al-Gore has been silent.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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It was disproved because of selective data that was massaged/revised to get the desired result.

Why you haven't heard any more about it.

Why al-Gore has been silent.
I don't believe you. I asked you to prove your claim, not repeat it. Please link to the papers that show the previous research was in error. Please show us the revised temp profile. Prove this lie.
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