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Old 07-24-2013, 01:10 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Judge: Bankruptcy court can decide whether pension systems, retiree suits can proceed | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

That is terrific news, as it will enable all creditors to get a fair shake.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:18 PM
 
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Isn't it wonderful how the govt. doesn't have to fund for future liabilities like everyone else does?

I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

They are talking about public pension cuts in IL....California has an unfunded pension liability of around 3/4 TRILLION dollars.....

That's what happens when you can make people happy by promising them lots of money someone else will pay a long time from now.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: NJ
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That's what happens when you can make people happy by promising them lots of money someone else will pay a long time from now.

Correct. This financial implosion was easy to see coming, and it was unavoidable by virtue of outlandish legacy costs.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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You voted for the representatives that bargained away the solvency of the municipal government. Now you can live with the diminishing returns.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Corporations moved to 401K and defined contribution plans decades ago because they saw what was happening.
Government, as usual, has the blind eye because the "taxpayer" is their revenue source.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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Prime example why we need term limits on politicians.

Would severely limit lobbyers influence which is a excellent example of pandering.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Correct. This financial implosion was easy to see coming, and it was unavoidable by virtue of outlandish legacy costs.
It is a shame that it will be the elderly that suffer the most from not receiving the retirement checks they were promised.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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So does Enron represent all corporations if Detroit represents all cities in the United States?

The City of Milwaukee offers a pretty generous pension plan for city workers. And I think the city even allows "triple dipping."

Milwaukee is not Detroit though. Actually, workers for the City of Milwaukee have a better retirement future than many of those employees at Enron did with their 401K plans.

Rising pension benefit cost may hurt Milwaukee County

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Fewer than 10% of public employee pension systems in the United States offer anything as generous as Milwaukee County's "Rule of 75," which allows employees to retire when their age plus years of service reach 75, according to a survey by the nonpartisan Wisconsin Legislative Council.
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The program will allow Jack Takerian, the county's transportation and public works director, to retire in April at age 47. His lengthy county tenure, starting with part-time work in high school as a lifeguard in 1981, will allow him to leave under the Rule of 75 and collect a pension of about $65,000 a year.
Is it 20 years you have to put in the U.S. military to get a pension for life? So, if you enter at age 18 you can basically retire from the U.S. military at age 38 and receive a monthly check for life.

So what?
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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The filing of the petition for municipal reorganization under Chapter 9 of the Bankruptcy Code is the first positive step taken by Detroit - and long overdue. (Mr. Orr should have filed this petition the day he was appointed "emergency manager"!) It is not the end, but the beginning - a new birth for a city with a long tradition of culture and the arts, so treasured by the American people. Municipal reorganization works. It's painful to those that have the most to lose; but then that's the way the system works - ratably. And, the city will endure. Detroit, like the mythological Phoenix, shall rise from the ashes, a greater city than ever before.
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Isn't it wonderful how the govt. doesn't have to fund for future liabilities like everyone else does?

I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

They are talking about public pension cuts in IL....California has an unfunded pension liability of around 3/4 TRILLION dollars.....

That's what happens when you can make people happy by promising them lots of money someone else will pay a long time from now.
There are many cities close to default, they have granted increased salaries and pensions that are not even close to being balanced. They are very interested on how this turns out because of the enormous unfunded liabilities. They have used unattainable targets for the pension funds and have done little to control salaries, cities and states in default are the next melt down.
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