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Old 07-25-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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According to the Texas Tribune: "Applicants must go to a DPS driver’s license office to apply and show proof of citizenship. The IDs can only be used to vote, and are not acceptable forms of personal identification for other purposes."

Many people live 100 miles from the DMV in Texas. First of all, that's an undue burden and unconstitutional within itself. Furthermore, it's still a poll tax because it isn't "free". It's paid for with taxpayer money. If anything, I'd say thank god for Eric Holder.
Yes, two very good points. Many people do indeed live far from the closest DMV, and not only is it not free if the cost is paid for my taxpayers, it also costs the person who has to travel 100 miles in order to obtain one. Less of a problem for someone with a car, but not so easy in Texas for someone who doesn't have a car.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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So exactly what is Texas doing that they are guilty of voter suppression ?
They have to be found guilty for Holder to act.
Creating a new voter I.D. restriction.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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Voter ID stood up to legal challenge in other states (as long as it is free) which Texas law was modeled after. So It looks like Holder is discriminating against red states again.
It's not just voter ID. It looks like one of the biggest issues is the way they redistricted--they added four congressional seats based on a huge population growth that's primarily hispanic, but they redistricted in a way so that most of the hispanic voters are concentrated in one seat and the rest have a majority of white voters, rather than spreading the hispanic vote through the area as it would naturally fall if they drew simple geographic boundaries.

AG Eric Holder: Justice Department targeting Texas redistricting in voting-rights fight | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes, two very good points. Many people do indeed live far from the closest DMV, and not only is it not free if the cost is paid for my taxpayers, it also costs the person who has to travel 100 miles in order to obtain one. Less of a problem for someone with a car, but not so easy in Texas for someone who doesn't have a car.
Strawman argument.

These same people need IDs for Obamacare and no one is outraged.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:33 PM
 
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I'd really like a conservative on here to answer this question. Since voter fraud has been found to be insignificant and next to non-existent, why make it more difficult for citizens to vote? What is accomplished by this?
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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If it is paid for by tax payer money it is free to the person it is being issued. That is like saying all voting is a poll tax because people pay taxs for the vote to happen.
Those are separate issues, not to mention the burden of getting to the DMV remains. The vote happening is not the same as obtaining the means to vote.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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It's not just voter ID. It looks like one of the biggest issues is the way they redistricted--they added four congressional seats based on a huge population growth that's primarily hispanic, but they redistricted in a way so that most of the hispanic voters are concentrated in one seat and the rest have a majority of white voters, rather than spreading the hispanic vote through the area as it would naturally fall if they drew simple geographic boundaries.

AG Eric Holder: Justice Department targeting Texas redistricting in voting-rights fight | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News
Right. So that these voters cannot be represented as they otherwise would be.

I'd like a conservative on here to defend this practice. What is accomplished? Better democracy? A fairer election? Better representation?
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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Strawman argument.

These same people need IDs for Obamacare and no one is outraged.
Obamacare is not a constitutionally protected right. Voting is, even if you argue only indirectly via 14th Amendment.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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States must still abide by federal law. Instituting voting laws and redistricting that is discriminatory violates the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the feds are well within their rights to step in and enforce it.
Why? California and some other states refuse to enforce the federal laws on drugs. Thats OK but redistricting isn't...

Can't have it both ways....

Isn't Houston one of those sanctuary cities that refuses to enforce federal immigration laws?

So explain to us what the difference is please....
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:43 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It's not just voter ID. It looks like one of the biggest issues is the way they redistricted--they added four congressional seats based on a huge population growth that's primarily hispanic, but they redistricted in a way so that most of the hispanic voters are concentrated in one seat and the rest have a majority of white voters, rather than spreading the hispanic vote through the area as it would naturally fall if they drew simple geographic boundaries.

AG Eric Holder: Justice Department targeting Texas redistricting in voting-rights fight | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News
The districts do not look gerrymandered to me.

This is a gerrymandered district.
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