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It seeems to me that you might ascribing personalty traits to someone that you do not know. Did you not read where I said that he could have held them at gunpoint? Suppose we decide that Horn is good natured old coot that had a hot-headed moment...does that not establish that this law, which he cited when shooting these guys, played a role in an avoidable killing and will again?
I stand my ground as to the content of my previous post.
Former NRA President: We Helped Draft Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law
"There is no doubt about it. Marion Hammer, the NRA lobbyist here, former president of the NRA wrote the legislation and she would tell you so," Flemming told Media Matters.
Asked how he discovered that the NRA had co-written the legislation, Flemming stated: "She told me, I talked to her. I speak to Marion and certainly spoke to Sen. Peaden regularly. The observation is that they have their legislative priorities every year and that was one." He added, "All of the gun laws that come through the Florida legislature, she writes."
Hammer recalled that the law came about after an incident following Hurricane Ivan in 2004 in which 77-year-old James Workman shot an intruder who broke into his RV after the deadly storm. Months before the statute was passed, prosecutors declined to press charges against Workman, saying he had legally acted in self-defense.
"Yes, we helped," Hammer said. "Sen. Peaden and I had a conversation, he was outraged at what had happened and ... they had not decided whether to charge this man. He says, 'what are we going to do about it?' I said 'we can work on some legislation to deal with this issue.' It is not an uncommon problem."
She added, "he came to us, we helped draft it, he took it, he put it in the bill drafting, it came out of bill drafting, it came through the process, it passed."
It seeems to me that you might ascribing personalty traits to someone that you do not know. Did you not read where I said that he could have held them at gunpoint? Suppose we decide that Horn is good natured old coot that had a hot-headed moment...does that not establish that this law, which he cited when shooting these guys, played a role in an avoidable killing and will again?
I stand my ground as to the content of my previous post.
Former NRA President: We Helped Draft Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law
"There is no doubt about it. Marion Hammer, the NRA lobbyist here, former president of the NRA wrote the legislation and she would tell you so," Flemming told Media Matters.
Asked how he discovered that the NRA had co-written the legislation, Flemming stated: "She told me, I talked to her. I speak to Marion and certainly spoke to Sen. Peaden regularly. The observation is that they have their legislative priorities every year and that was one." He added, "All of the gun laws that come through the Florida legislature, she writes."
Hammer recalled that the law came about after an incident following Hurricane Ivan in 2004 in which 77-year-old James Workman shot an intruder who broke into his RV after the deadly storm. Months before the statute was passed, prosecutors declined to press charges against Workman, saying he had legally acted in self-defense.
"Yes, we helped," Hammer said. "Sen. Peaden and I had a conversation, he was outraged at what had happened and ... they had not decided whether to charge this man. He says, 'what are we going to do about it?' I said 'we can work on some legislation to deal with this issue.' It is not an uncommon problem."
She added, "he came to us, we helped draft it, he took it, he put it in the bill drafting, it came out of bill drafting, it came through the process, it passed."
First of all, Joe Horn's case has nothing to do with SYG law. I personally donated to his legal team and also attended analysis offered by one of the prominent attorneys on why this case had nothing to do with SYG and self-defense.
Secondly, SYG is a good law. The law is crystal clear and the only thing vague is your mind and the media spin. Word of advice: do not rely on the media for legal advise. Too many ignorant people think they can stand their ground because of the media spin but in reality, they can't and shouldn't. They are rotting in prison now.
Thirdly, if you disagree that we have the right to protect ourselves and our property, then we have to agree to disagree. In Texas we have such right and we use them often. I have no sympathy for criminals who prey on good citizens. Life is better without them.
But there are people who insist on profiling young black men this way while Zim, the real gun toting thug later posing as victim, exited his vehicle with no provocation, manifested the same racist mindset of Spaten.
Neither the police, the prosecutor, the FBI, the special prosecutor, Rachel Jeantel, nor the jury found any evidence of racism or racial profiling.
Take off your tinfoil hat & stop projecting your prejudices on other people.
First of all, Joe Horn's case has nothing to do with SYG law. I personally calldonated to his legal team and also attended analysis offered by one of the prominent attorneys on why this case had nothing to do with SYG and self-defense.
Secondly, SYG is a good law. The law is crystal clear and the only thing vague is your mind and the media spin. Word of advice: do not rely on the media for legal advise. Too many ignorant people think they can stand their ground because of the media spin but in reality, they can't and shouldn't. They are rotting in prison now.
Thirdly, if you disagree that we have the right to protect ourselves and our property, then we have to agree to disagree. In Texas we have such right and we use them often. I have no sympathy for criminals who prey on good citizens. Life is better without them.
Of course his stance had nothing to do with self defense. That was obvious from the 911 call. But he referred to it in that call as justification for doing what he was about to do. That is the point. Correct me if I am wrong, but did he not kill these men as they were fleeing his neighbor's house and not his? Why did he shoot to kill? Is burglary, as offensive as it is, punishable by execution? I suppose it is in Taliban Texas law.
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In that case, I'm sure I have a far better sense of his personal character - no matter how flawed he may be - than most you will correspond with.
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