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You just don't get it. The Bible doesn't offer a loophole for you. You are free to reject the Bible, but you don't get to change the meaning of the verses. It says you submit to the authorities, and that includes the law, the rulers, and those who enforce it. The US is no exception.
Harrier is not rejecting the Bible.
Allow Harrier to clarify his point.
Were Christians in Nazi Germany obligated to be submissive to the "authorities" while Hitler's goons were marching Jews to the gas chambers?
Does morality take a backseat to legalistic interpretation of the Bible?
Didn't Jesus criticize the Pharisees for their failure to heed the spirit of the Law, not only the letter?
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You just don't get it. The Bible doesn't offer a loophole for you. You are free to reject the Bible, but you don't get to change the meaning of the verses. It says you submit to the authorities, and that includes the law, the rulers, and those who enforce it. The US is no exception.
Yes, you are. You are trying to create loopholes for yourself, and claiming the Bible doesn't apply to you because of this or that technicality. God won't be fooled. The good thing is that you probably are submitting to the authorities, although you like to voice your disagreements about some policies, and that's cool. The Bible doesn't say you can't voice your opinions.
Should Christians submit only to good and fair rulers, or also the mean ones?
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.”
Yes, you are. You are trying to create loopholes for yourself, and claiming the Bible doesn't apply to you because of this or that technicality. God won't be fooled. The good thing is that you probably are submitting to the authorities, although you like to voice your disagreements about some policies, and that's cool. The Bible doesn't say you can't voice your opinions.
Should Christians submit only to good and fair rulers, or also the mean ones?
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.”
Why is there separation of church and state in the United States? It seems like the government promotes atheism which is unfair too. It is quite sad that we cannot put Christian symbols in the public square without being sued by non-Christians, teaching some religion, and observe more Christian holidays as national holidays. Why would people be bothered with having Jesus and/or Virgin Mary statue at city hall and local DMV?
I wish we had state church with still freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
I like the way the UK, Canada, Germany, Austria, Israel, etc. are.... - Both democracy and religion together.
>Claims the Government promotes atheism
>Fails to note the "In God We Trust" on all our currency, the commandments in court buildings, and laws protecting religious institutions.
Yes, you are. You are trying to create loopholes for yourself, and claiming the Bible doesn't apply to you because of this or that technicality. God won't be fooled. The good thing is that you probably are submitting to the authorities, although you like to voice your disagreements about some policies, and that's cool. The Bible doesn't say you can't voice your opinions.
Should Christians submit only to good and fair rulers, or also the mean ones?
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.”
The bible is a book of lies written by men who wanted to rule over other men.
The bible is a book of lies written by men who wanted to rule over other men.
Not to mention that even if it were based off of the word of "god", those words have been warped and tainted by the hand of man. Either way, the story is good but the words are shallow.
The founders did not want the federal government promote any given denomination, and preferred the States be in control of it. Today every single State constitution mention God.
Not all the founding fathers supported religion. However they did leave it up to the states.
I don't fault the nation for mistakes of the past. The support of slavery, the involvement of god, etc. are all mistakes that we're still ironing out.
At least in my state, TANF recipients are required to work if they're unemployed or work part time. Also in most states, TANF recipients are required to file for child support and the states charges the noncustodial parent. The amount charged is then deducted form the amount of support that the custodial parent receives.... These are facts that people who are against TANF do not know or like to ignore.
I'm not against TANF, but people in poverty need a way out. Education is the only way.
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