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American kids can't go to church during Christmas season and sing Christian songs??????????
Public schools (incl. teachers) are forbidden taking students to churches, synagogues, or mosques due to separation of church and state. Public schools are also forbidden displaying a cross in classrooms.
Indeed, mandate school prayers have been banned since few decades ago when the Supreme Court have held them unconstitutional.
This does not mean I would like to have any of those taken place, but stating facts. I work for the federal government btw.
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Public schools (incl. teachers) are forbidden taking students to churches, synagogues, or mosques due to separation of church and state. Public schools are also forbidden displaying a cross in classrooms.
Indeed, mandate school prayers have been banned since few decades ago when the Supreme Court have held them unconstitutional.
I believe you were whining that American kids couldn't do what Scandinavian kids could do. Are you now trying to beat your chest and pull your hair to distract us from that claim?
Public schools are forbidden taking students to churches for Christmas or Easter in the United States.
I would imagine that the many Jewish parents who send their children to public school would be offended if the school marched them all off to a church to sing praises to Jesus. That probably goes for Chinese parents, Buddhist parents, Etc. I'm also pretty sure the Southern Baptist alliance would have a fit if they found out their children were all hustled off to a Roman Catholic church. Don't ya think?
Public schools (incl. teachers) are forbidden taking students to churches, synagogues, or mosques due to separation of church and state. Public schools are also forbidden displaying a cross in classrooms.
Indeed, mandate school prayers have been banned since few decades ago when the Supreme Court have held them unconstitutional.
Schools should never have mandated prayers. Not every student follows the same religion. However students are allowed to pray in class as long as they are not disturbing educational time, there is even a moment of silence at the beginning of the day when students can pray silently.
Public schools also should not be taking students to churches, temples, mosques, or any other religious house. Let the parents take their children to church if they so choose.
As for crosses in classrooms, if they have one religious symbol, then all religions should be allowed to put theirs up too. Maybe schools should just stick to teaching facts, and leave beliefs to the church.
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Public schools (incl. teachers) are forbidden taking students to churches, synagogues, or mosques due to separation of church and state. Public schools are also forbidden displaying a cross in classrooms.
Indeed, mandate school prayers have been banned since few decades ago when the Supreme Court have held them unconstitutional.
This does not mean I would like to have any of those taken place, but stating facts. I work for the federal government btw.
The question was "American kids can't go to church during Christmas season and sing Christian songs??????????", not whether public schools could take them.
Didn't you hear our President this is the most offensive speech given by Jesus. People have no problem with our President serving dinner to people that practice Islam while he ignores the Christian Day of Prayer! He has plenty of time to attend and host Ramadan, but don't ask him to have much time for the likes of the Catholic Church, Dalai Lama or Israel's Prime Minister.
Time is taken for Ramadan, JZ & Beyonce........Not sure a Christian would go this far to remove things. This President has taken the time and finds Christian material and Christians offensive.......even what was mildly connected to Christians have been removed and we are to feel shame for having them in the first place.
April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren't like them.”
November 2011 – Even while restricting and disapprobating Christian religious expressions, the Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans at the Air Force Academy.
April 2013 – Officials briefing U.S. Army soldiers placed "Evangelical Christianity" and "Catholicism" in a list that also included Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas as examples of "religious extremism."
April 2013 – The U.S. Army directs troops to scratch off and paint over tiny Scripture verse references that for decades had been forged into weapon scopes.
Why would he care to do this......
July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion.
August 2010 – Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location.
Seems separation of Church & State ONLY applies to Christians under this fake Christian President!!
It took legal action to force the military to recognize pagan religions as equal to others. Soldiers who gave their lives to their country could not be buried with a pent on their grave but christan and other symbols were permitted. In requiring the military to allow the symbol they forced it to give pagan religions equal footing.
Given there was no acknowlegement of pagan religion and I'm sure there was plenty of the others it only stands to reason that it should be equal in having a proper place. You say 'restricted' christan symbols, and not ban them.
My dislike, religiously, about Obama is his choice of Rev Wright (think that was the name) and his unmitagated fundamentalist blather at the first inaguration. That should be kept behind church doors and the *religious* content should be one interfaith prayer at most, which is sufficently generic it covers everyone or better yet a moment of silence for each to speak to their god/goddess/nada and in a FULL official ceremony leave out any particular religion.
There definitely is such a thing as Christian extremism (google Independent Fundamental Baptists), but to brush the entire evangelical Christian community or the entire Catholic Church as radical extremists is simply propaganda.
The problem with evangelical christians is they insist the LAWS match their ideas, not those of others who believe we all have the choice to make in what options we choose. They are free to choose to do or not do these things themselves, but have NO right to say others who do not share their beliefs should be forced into it. So long as the evangelical movement denies that other faiths are just as proper as theirs and that their own standards must apply, and be *law*, then they *are* extremists.
Individuals who understand this are not, but as the movements as a whole teach this is the ONLY right and they must enforce it because 'god' told them to, then the unit as a whole is extremists.
Anyone who wishes to force a policy on people because a 'god' tells them they must have turned off reason and that is when extremism starts to replace the empty spaces.
Children are in school to learn, not go sing songs in church. If you want your children to go sing in church, take them to church, or put them in a religious school.
^^^ This. Exactly. The three R's belong in school. Keep the fourth R (Religion) out of it.
I live in an area of the USA where a high percentage of the population are members of a Christian denomination with beliefs significantly different than my own. It's a high enough percentage that it even affects local US mail delivery. Many local teachers are members of this denomination. While I have many friends in this denomination, I am appreciative that the local teachers do not share their beliefs with my children in the classroom.
Similar opinions should be held by a Southern Baptist living near Salt Lake City, Utah; a Catholic living in Southern Baptist territory in rural Mississippi; a homosexual living in 63% Catholic Rhode Island; or a Muslim or Hindu living pretty much anywhere in the US.
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It is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
You contradict yourself in your last line.
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Meaning everyone has the right to believe or worship where ever they please.
They also have the right to assemble... and worship.
Everyone has the right to walk away, or stay and listen.
AKA: Freedom from religion.
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People have no problem with our President serving dinner to people that practice Islam while he ignores the Christian Day of Prayer! He has plenty of time to attend and host Ramadan, but don't ask him to have much time for the likes of the Catholic Church, Dalai Lama or Israel's Prime Minister.
