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View Poll Results: Do you believe the welfare system rewards the wrong people to reproduce in large numbers?
Yes 160 74.07%
No 42 19.44%
Yes/No 14 6.48%
Voters: 216. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-03-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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No. The poor are the scapegoat for larger societal issues - most of which are caused by those in power.
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Old 11-03-2013, 07:45 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Banishing? Are people "banished" to other locations when they accept a job elsewhere? Are college students "banished" when they attend colleges out of state? No to all of the above. One merely goes where one's best opportunity lies.
Again.... what's going to be a driving force to rural areas? You seriously think in 2013 the best opportunities are in rural areas? Are unaware of the rural to urban shift that

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Big problem with that. Federal, state, and local governments don't earn profits. Did it completely escape your attention that the union pension system referred to in my post, CalPERS, which identifies itself as one of our country's largest institutional investors, is the CALIFORNIA PUBLIC EMPLOYEES retirement system?
No they get revenue.

What exactly is your point with your CalPERs remark? Spell it out instead of trying to look coy or intelligent.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:27 PM
 
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Artificial means of support = food, housing, clothes?? What world do you live in???
The one in which one earns the means to acquire such.

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Devolution is when supposedly highly evolved humans start taking on characteristics of lower order mammals
Exactly. Like the 14 IQ points lost over the last century due to reasons the researchers stated. You do realize that even given a constant rate of decline (unlikely as the least able to support themselves outbreed everyone else by a rate of 3 to 1), that drops the average IQ to the equivalent of only 72 after a mere 200 years. That would place the average IQ squarely at the bottom of the DSM-IV classification of Borderline Intellectual Functioning.

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like promulgating a return to "survival of the fittest."
You're sadly mistaken if you think the process of evolution has ceased. It's actually laughable that you even believe so.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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IQ is supposed to be a measurement of Intelligence, not knowledge, there for it shouldn't be dropping if it is measured right in the first place.
Why do you believe it's impossible for Western humans in general to lose intelligence over a span of time?
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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No. The poor are the scapegoat for larger societal issues - most of which are caused by those in power.
Why, just the other day, I saw a well-dressed person driving a 1954 Mercedes-Benz W196R Formula 1 single-seat coupe force a welfare recipient to... gasp... refuse to work! Evil, I tell you. Pure evil.

That was sarcasm, people.

Good grief, the liberals' excuse-making for society's takers is pathetic.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:40 PM
 
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Again.... what's going to be a driving force to rural areas?
To... gasp... actually PROVIDE for oneself and one's dependents.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:47 PM
 
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What exactly is your point with your CalPERs remark? Spell it out instead of trying to look coy or intelligent.
Do you really not understand the fact that public employee pensions (retired government employees, state university faculty and staff, pre-K through 12 educators, police, fire dept., etc., etc.) are paid for by corporate earnings? They are not fully funded by any paltry retirement contributions made by public employees (if they even have to contribute at all), NOR can taxpayers fully fund public employee pensions. If corporate profits are cut, public employee pensions are therefore necessarily cut. That's EXACTLY why CalPERS and other public employee retirement systems like CalPERS are our country's largest institutional investors.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:57 PM
 
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To... gasp... actually PROVIDE for oneself and one's dependents.
So what's going to be the catalyst? You going to shun them into going back into the rural areas which have been declining in population and jobs for many decades? People who have no knowledge or skills to live off the land. That's your idea......

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Do you really not understand the fact that public employee pensions (retired government employees, state university faculty and staff, pre-K through 12 educators, police, fire dept., etc., etc.) are paid for by corporate earnings? They are not fully funded by any paltry retirement contributions made by public employees (if they even have to contribute at all), NOR can taxpayers fully fund public employee pensions. If corporate profits are cut, public employee pensions are therefore necessarily cut. That's EXACTLY why CalPERS and other public employee retirement systems like CalPERS are our country's largest institutional investors.
CalPERS manages the health benefits and pensions of ~1.6 million so of course it's impact is large. And of course employees make contributions......

Again..... corporate profits are higher than ever......They have never been higher..... Yes there be less return on the investment but if you giving more money to workers than that will create more demand and more investment. You're supply side nonsense still hasn't worked yet.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:10 PM
 
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So what's going to be the catalyst?
Cut freebies given to those who are not genuinely incapacitated.

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CalPERS manages the health benefits and pensions of ~1.6 million so of course it's impact is large. And of course employees make contributions...
So why does CalPERS need to invest in equities?

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Again..... corporate profits are higher than ever......They have never been higher..... Yes there be less return on the investment but if you giving more money to workers than that will create more demand and more investment.
While cutting millions of public employees' pensions. Think you can get those millions of public employees/retirees to agree to accept reduced benefits and pensions to satisfy your desire for lower corporate profits?
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Last I looked, most poor people did not have kids.
Maybe you should look again, or better yet, park in front of the DHS on the 1st. of the month .
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