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Old 07-30-2013, 07:20 PM
 
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No...see this is where you are being dishonest. I never dismissed fMRI as a potentially useful tool. It MAY help reach conclusions one day on sexual orientation....or it may just go the phrenology route.

it's nice for obtuse observations but nothing meaningful, in regards to sexual orientation, has come from it.

The fact remains that you try and pass off your far drawn conclusions from very broad computer modeled interpretations as legit science.
The dishonesty is all yours - ask yourself why you chose to call fMRI the 'poster boy' rather than anything else?

"very broad computer modeled interpretations"? What are you talking about? Where? Thanks once again for demonstrating that you never bothered to read any of those studies and haven't got a clue about them.

fMRI may 'go the phrenology route'? LOL! You also show you don't have a clue about what fMRI is and the many research and diagnostic areas it is being used in. eg Alzheimer's research


Prejudice is called 'blind' for a reason.

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Old 07-30-2013, 07:33 PM
 
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So apparently the world over, whether it be in the West or Japan, the Middle East or Africa, virtually all professional biologists (at least 99%) are 'fascists' and 'socialists'. Strange. Either there is this bizarre and inexplicable correlation between biologists of any culture being simultaneously both virulent nationalist/corporatists (fascists) and socialists/internationalists (pretending for a moment that the two are even remotely compatible). Or... the very idea is inane, and the reason 99% of all biologists accept evolution is because evolution is supported overwhelmingly by evidence which transcends borders and cultures.

Wield Occam's Razor appropriately.

Side note - Until the mid-60s the Soviet Union rejected accepted evolutionary theory in favor of Lysenkoism, which it taught accordingly in schools and universities because it was felt that it better reflected Soviet ideals. The effects on Soviet agriculture contributed to poor yields, and the resulting setback to Soviet genetics is still felt today in the Russian successor state. That's what rejecting science in favor of dogma gets a nation.

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Old 07-30-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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The dishonesty is all yours - ask yourself why you chose to call fMRI the 'poster boy' rather than anything else?

"very broad computer modeled interpretations"? Where?

Thanks once again for demonstrating that you never bothered to read any of those studies and haven't got a clue about them. You also show you don't have a clue about what fMRI is and the many research and diagnostic areas it is being used in.


Prejudice is called 'blind' for a reason.
I've read your studies....of course, what you engage in is shotgun argumentation in which you posted 4,5,6 or more links at once in which it becomes awfully contrived and then most are deterred from any further discourse because it's simply too much bs to cut through in one post. Even further, ALL of those studies do very little in the way of serving any meaningful purpose except catering to your own and your a-alikes confirmation bias.

I have asked you before, and here I am again....post one MAJOR study that you feel has the single biggest impact regarding your crusade...I will be happy to read it and argue with you over it

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Old 07-30-2013, 08:09 PM
 
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Is this the sort of nonsense these religious groups want taught to children?

Science
Science: Earth and Space is written from the Christian perspective with the conviction that God is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. The text naturally rejects the unproven hypothesis of evolution, recognizing special creation as the only reasonable explanation for the origin of the universe.

Science: Earth and Space also recognizes God’s command for man to have dominion over creation (Gen. 1:28-30). From geology to astronomy, the goal is to learn how man might extend his “dominion” and make better use of creation. The idea of responsible conservation is supported. With man’s dominion over the earth comes a responsibility to be a good steward by tending, managing, and conserving resources. But the ultimate purpose of creation must not be forgotten: the earth was made for man to inhabit, and its resources for man to use wisely.
A Beka Book :: Book Information :: Science Earth and Space


"Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

"Is it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls…The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

And it's not just science:

Economics?
"But instead of this world unification ushering in an age of prosperity and peace, as most globalists believe it will, it will be a time of unimaginable human suffering as recorded in God's Word. The Anti-christ will tightly regulate who may buy and sell."Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book
Mathematics?
"Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute…A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."—ABeka.com
Literature?
"Several of [Emily Dickinson's] poems show a presumptuous attitude concerning her eternal destiny and a veiled disrespect for authority in general. Throughout her life she viewed salvation as a gamble, not a certainty. Although she did view the Bible as a source of poetic inspiration, she never accepted it as an inerrant guide to life."Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001


Geography?
"Africa is a continent with many needs. It is still in need of the gospel…Only about ten percent of Africans can read and write. In some areas the mission schools have been shut down by Communists who have taken over the government."—Old World History and Geography in Christian Perspective, 3rd ed., A Beka Book, 2004
American Government?
"It is no wonder that Satan hates the family and has hurled his venom against it in the form of Communism."— American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book
American History?
"God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."—America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book

"The Ku Klux Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

"Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath…Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:18 PM
 
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I've read your studies....
Yet, you keep making silly ignorant strawman statements about them that prove you haven't.

Do you even have access to academic Journals?
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:25 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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No surprises here. When the state bans the teaching of evolution, this will be news. In the meantime, the people of Kentucky will have to subject their children to fancy book learnin'.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:29 PM
 
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Yet, you keep making silly ignorant strawman statements about them that prove you haven't.

Do you even have access to academic Journals?
What strawmen? I've never took your argument out of context. I simply asked you for one study that you feel has the most meaningful conclusion to sexual orientation being innate. I have access to Jstor.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Are you denying the really bad things that are attributed to science?

Alot of losers that have an agenda against religion love to point out how evil it is....but there IS good that comes out of it as well.

and science is no different...but humans are the common denominator of trash. They are the catalyst for everything bad that comes from both.
I have only one response to your post:

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Old 07-30-2013, 08:34 PM
 
Location: WA
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Is this the sort of nonsense these religious groups want taught to children?

Science
Science: Earth and Space is written from the Christian perspective with the conviction that God is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. The text naturally rejects the unproven hypothesis of evolution, recognizing special creation as the only reasonable explanation for the origin of the universe.

Science: Earth and Space also recognizes God’s command for man to have dominion over creation (Gen. 1:28-30). From geology to astronomy, the goal is to learn how man might extend his “dominion” and make better use of creation. The idea of responsible conservation is supported. With man’s dominion over the earth comes a responsibility to be a good steward by tending, managing, and conserving resources. But the ultimate purpose of creation must not be forgotten: the earth was made for man to inhabit, and its resources for man to use wisely.
A Beka Book :: Book Information :: Science Earth and Space


"Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

"Is it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls…The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

And it's not just science:

Economics?
"But instead of this world unification ushering in an age of prosperity and peace, as most globalists believe it will, it will be a time of unimaginable human suffering as recorded in God's Word. The Anti-christ will tightly regulate who may buy and sell."Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book
Mathematics?
"Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute…A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."—ABeka.com
Literature?
"Several of [Emily Dickinson's] poems show a presumptuous attitude concerning her eternal destiny and a veiled disrespect for authority in general. Throughout her life she viewed salvation as a gamble, not a certainty. Although she did view the Bible as a source of poetic inspiration, she never accepted it as an inerrant guide to life."Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001


Geography?
"Africa is a continent with many needs. It is still in need of the gospel…Only about ten percent of Africans can read and write. In some areas the mission schools have been shut down by Communists who have taken over the government."—Old World History and Geography in Christian Perspective, 3rd ed., A Beka Book, 2004
American Government?
"It is no wonder that Satan hates the family and has hurled his venom against it in the form of Communism."— American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book
American History?
"God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."—America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book

"The Ku Klux Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

"Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath…Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book
In what contexts are these books being used? Are these homeschool materials? Please don't tell me there's an actual school using these.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Absolutely..just because you CAN falsify science, doesn't mean humans are impervious to being shammed. Science definitely becomes dogmatic when people don't have the resources, capacity or desire to test it.

The computer you are typing on is a sham and nothing more than scientific scam. Pray to your god's forum instead!
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