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Old 07-30-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Houston
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How?
Seemed pretty clear to me. Go back and re-read the post.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I'm having a hard time finding the GOP's logic for defunding Obamacare during the debt ceiling and continuing resolution budget talks. The GOP lost seats in the House and Senate and Obama won reelection during the 2012 election, so I'm having a hard time finding the GOP's logic that somehow they get to get everything they want from negotiations?
Why do you think that because Obama "won" re-election that he get's everything he wants? Obama is not a King. Though he has become very tyrannical.

This is a Representative Republic, and our elected representatives, whom we elected to represent us (that is why they are called "representatives," not surprisingly) are the lawmakers, NOT Mr. Obama.

"Obamacare" is very unpopular, and the more we learn about it, the less popular it becomes. It is too expensive (not only for individuals, but also for the government), unworkable, and cannot provide the kind of quality health care that Americans want, need, and are used to.

Obamacare has been described as a "train wreck" even by top Democrats. It has already caused insurance premiums to skyrocket, and families will end up paying thousands more for insurance, at a time when family incomes have been falling, and prices of goods and services rising.

Obamacare should be repealed. Until that can be accomplished, defunding it is the next best option.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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1. It shows their base they tried, again.

2. When Obamacare becomes law, it will likely be permanent, like social security and medicare. When a federal program sinks in, it rarely ever stops. So they'll go to the mattresses on this one.
Obamacare is yet another tax that was passed December 24, 2009, Christmas Eve, by a straight Democrat party vote, none of whom had even read the legislation.

Obama and his cohorts were swiftly found to be lying through their teeth, his polling numbers have begun to fall and, folks you ain’t seen nothing yet.

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Old 07-30-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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You do realize Obamacare was passed by the House right ?
The IRS scandal. Democrats stonewalling investigations into IRS conduct. Obama thinking it's a 'phony scandal. If there is not anything to hide then stop fighting the investigation.

Do you really trust that IRS agents who want to be exempt from Obamacare to have say in your health.

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Old 07-30-2013, 05:32 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Where do you get your information the American People "dont want" obamacare? Did we have a new Presidental Vote since 2012?
This isn't a democracy, and people don't vote for a president because of a single issue. (well, some might).

Did George Bush win a second term because the American people wanted to continue the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? That's your logic.

Besides, there was a considerable amount of election fraud in 2012, which likely tipped the scales in Obama's favor. Romney was very popular, and drawing huge crowds that were energized. Do they not count?

Just because Obama "won" (or rather, "stole" the election, which I believe is what happened) does not mean he gets everything he wants. That is not how our system works. Thank God!
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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I'm having a hard time finding the GOP's logic for defunding Obamacare during the debt ceiling and continuing resolution budget talks. The GOP lost seats in the House and Senate and Obama won reelection during the 2012 election, so I'm having a hard time finding the GOP's logic that somehow they get to get everything they want from negotiations?
Well, I'll give you 2 quick reasons:

It is costing 3 times what was said it would cost.

obama stated that every American will be covered, the CBO has stated different.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:38 PM
 
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You do realize Obamacare was passed by the House right ?
And who owned the House during this time?
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:38 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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You do realize Obamacare was passed by the House right ?
You do realize that not one Republican voted for it, right?

Further, not one Representative (Democrat or Republican) had read it.

"We must pass this bill ... then we will find out what's in it." — Nancy Pelosi
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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1. It shows their base they tried, again.

2. When Obamacare becomes law, it will likely be permanent, like social security and medicare. When a federal program sinks in, it rarely ever stops. So they'll go to the mattresses on this one.

3. Bargaining from an absurd far right position means if you move to the center, you're still to the right of center.

That's about it. Midterms are good for republicans due to low turn out. They have 3 years before another presidential. Most voters memory isn't that long.
Obamacare is the law now.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:44 PM
 
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This isn't a democracy, and people don't vote for a president because of a single issue. (well, some might).

Did George Bush win a second term because the American people wanted to continue the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? That's your logic.

Besides, there was a considerable amount of election fraud in 2012, which likely tipped the scales in Obama's favor. Romney was very popular, and drawing huge crowds that were energized. Do they not count?

Just because Obama "won" (or rather, "stole" the election, which I believe is what happened) does not mean he gets everything he wants. That is not how our system works. Thank God!
Yep the election was a fraud (stole) the election and he needed a corrupt media, the IRS and to buy votes to win. I think people would be surprised that Romney was more popular than they think.
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