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Old 08-01-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The bottom line is, if some gays want to change their orientation, why should we forbid it?
Should we also allow the sale of snake-oil and magic elixirs that promise cures to people with illnesses?
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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Should we also allow the sale of snake-oil and magic elixirs that promise cures to people with illnesses?
Yes, as long as they don't fake results and the products do not have serious side effects.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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Yes, as long as they don't fake results and the products do not have serious side effects.
Gee, and all this time I thought there were laws against quackery.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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Being promiscuous or having attitudes towards sexuality is taught.

A fundamental like whether boys or girls get you aroused is not culturally dependent.

Controlling expression of sexuality or accepting sexuality is culturally dependent.






Wrong analogy again. Nothing about being gay prevents them "from being able to reproduce naturally"... except that they don't typically engage in opposite sex acts. The plumbing works the same, however, just the desire to use it in the way that produces a baby is NOT there.


With enough Viagra and the right frame of mind, gay folks can have sex with each other and have a baby the "natural" way. This is especially true when people are younger. Especially young men, for whom erections occur when the wind blows.
When you say "wrong analogy", it is in fact you are not able to understand it.

We can alter our sex desires for sure. We are not attracted to our cousins (I mean not attracted, not just controlling) no matter how sexy they are. In places this kind of relationship is allowed, people can be attracted to cousins.
Obviously you do not fully understand human nature.

"Taking viagra" is not natural at all.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:16 PM
 
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Gee, and all this time I thought there were laws against quackery.
They can serve as placebos.
What should be against is lying about results.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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When you say "wrong analogy", it is in fact you are not able to understand it.

We can alter our sex desires for sure. We are not attracted to our cousins (I mean not attracted, not just controlling) no matter how sexy they are. In places this kind of relationship is allowed, people can be attracted to cousins.
Obviously you do not fully understand human nature.

"Taking viagra" is not natural at all.


Who says people "are not attracted to our cousins?"

Plenty of people are or have been attracted to their cousins, even where society frowns upon it. It is society that then says the BEHAVIOR of liking your cousin is inappropriate, and that you should not try to bed your cousin. But the attraction may still be there.


The number of gay people in Iran is the same as everywhere else. However, you will find less people in Iran who admit or (maybe) act out on it because of society.


Why is this so hard for you to understand the difference between "orientation/attraction" and ACTING on that orientation/attraction?


This fundamental failure on your part means that you cannot discuss this topic with authority.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Yes, as long as they don't fake results and the products do not have serious side effects.
You mean like saying that thousands of gays have changed their orientation?

What about the side effects of self harming, or suicide? We do know that thousands of people who went through the "ex-gay therapy" have self mutilated, attempted suicide, or killed themselves. Seems like a pretty serious side effect to me.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Hilarious.

Exodus International used to claim 10's of thousands had 'changed' their orientation. Now the president Alan Chambers has shut down Exodus, apologised for all the harm they caused over 37 years and said that 99.99% of members had not changed their orientation.
Even if any changed their sexual orientation, it's not the nation's business, it's not FRC's business, or anybody else's. So I'm not surprised so few showed up for the rally on that reason alone.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:18 PM
 
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They can serve as placebos.
What should be against is lying about results.
So by your standard it's fine for some quack to tell those stressed by their disease he has a magic pill he 'believes' can be of assistance and charge mega $$$ for, eh? After all, there's no lie about results and who knows what someone truly believes?
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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Who says people "are not attracted to our cousins?"

Plenty of people are or have been attracted to their cousins, even where society frowns upon it. It is society that then says the BEHAVIOR of liking your cousin is inappropriate, and that you should not try to bed your cousin. But the attraction may still be there.


The number of gay people in Iran is the same as everywhere else. However, you will find less people in Iran who admit or (maybe) act out on it because of society.


Why is this so hard for you to understand the difference between "orientation/attraction" and ACTING on that orientation/attraction?


This fundamental failure on your part means that you cannot discuss this topic with authority.
I have never heard of anyone say they are attracted to cousins. Maybe you live in a special place?
I know such individuals exist though. After all, some people even have sex with their children.
Personally, I have never appreciate my cousins in any sexual way. They are just unattractive.

If you really know genetics, you will not say "The number of gay people in Iran is the same as everywhere else". China has much more people with blood type B than the US, for example. Gene frequencies are not the same everywhere.

You have extremely poor knowledge and poor understanding, but just repeat the same doctrine again and again.
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