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Old 08-03-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Because Texas has the conservative governor and legislatures talking about "seccession" at the same time they are boosting about economic growth while simultaneously taking money from the Fed govt to plug in budget deficits.

The same Texas that has to call 2 special sessions to roll back abortion rights and then another to address the transportation bill.

The same Texas who is bursting at the seams with people and growth, but no roads, schools, reservoirs, mass transit, etc. to show for it.



Exactly. So it really wasn't much of a stimulus, and stimulus wouldn't by the right word to call this. It was a bandaid to fix our state's budget problems from preventing more jobs from being loss and more services from being cut.

That's why we should have another bill (call it whatever you want) that addresses the long term infrastructure. A simple fix would be to adjust the gas tax inflation..... but we know how y'all feel about raising taxes.....
We could have a nice debate about that one.

You had developers buying up ranches and farms and construcing 500+ subdivision homes.
They left the 2 lane country roads for the cities to worry about.
You can't build a new road overnight, you can't turn a 2 lane country road into a 4 lane roadway overnight.
You can't build a new school as fast as the subdivisions were going up so you get portables.
Bond issues to build these things have to be voted on.

You can't just snap your fingers and the infrastructure magically appears within a week.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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We could have a nice debate about that one.

You had developers buying up ranches and farms and construcing 500+ subdivision homes.
They left the 2 lane country roads for the cities to worry about.
You can't build a new road overnight, you can't turn a 2 lane country road into a 4 lane roadway overnight.
You can't build a new school as fast as the subdivisions were going up so you get portables.
Bond issues to build these things have to be voted on.

You can't just snap your fingers and the infrastructure magically appears within a week.
It is why I support urban planning and planned city growth, which is something many Republicans seem to be against because it takes away a developers ability to build how much and where ever they want and let the market decide. Unfortunately the market has no control over infrastructure, which is what suffers when growth isn't monitored and controlled.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It is why I support urban planning and planned city growth, which is something many Republicans seem to be against because it takes away a developers ability to build how much and where ever they want and let the market decide. Unfortunately the market has no control over infrastructure, which is what suffers when growth isn't monitored and controlled.
The developers went outside the city limit to build.
It's called sprawl.
Once enough people live within a certain area outside the city limits the city can annex them.
But then the city is on the hook for water, sewer, roads at city expense.

Not all states have the same development rules.

How can you blame all this on Republicans ?
There's no sprawl in cities governed by Democrats ?
Local development is local.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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I am still waiting for you to find that post where I claimed the stimulus stopped the recession slide. Typical lazy Republican it seems.
So if it didnt stop the recession, then why do you applaud it as a success? You arent being very clear here and once again blaming others for your faults
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The developers went outside the city limit to build.
It's called sprawl.
Once enough people live within a certain area outside the city limits the city can annex them.
But then the city is on the hook for water, sewer, roads at city expense.

Not all states have the same development rules.

How can you blame all this on Republicans ?
There's no sprawl in cities governed by Democrats ?
Local development is local.
Actually I didn't blame sprawl on Republicans.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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Should we sit back and do nothing to keep pgh happy?
Show me where anyone has suggested that we not fix roads and bridges?
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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I want to spend money repairing a crumbling infrastructure, if you think that is spending for the heck of spending, then I have no idea what to tell you.
The question isnt if infrastruture needs to be repaired, the question is, is it a stimulus..

The only way its a stimulus is if we dont ever plan on fixing and repairing them.. Since you are calling it a stimulus, it seems that YOU are the one supporting the non repair.. Most of us out here in reality know that if you fix a road this year, and not next year, the net job growth is zero.. Makes me wonder where you live
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So if it didnt stop the recession, then why do you applaud it as a success? You arent being very clear here and once again blaming others for your faults
It is being applauded as a success? I thought it was being applauded as a bandaid, guess we have different standards.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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Hell we have a workforce who can build the infrastructure for free at our disposal..........

Article 13 U.S. Constitution

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Being paid for a service by the government isnt slavery nor involuntary servitude... To even equate the two is an embarassment.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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It is being applauded as a success? I thought it was being applauded as a bandaid, guess we have different standards.
A bandaid doesnt cost $3.2trillion dollars and actually has a purpose.

It seems we indeed ahve different standards.

Are you denying Obama sold the stimulus bill as a plan to turn around the economy, and you didnt agree with him?
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