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Yes, they will shut down government and every damned media source will blame the GOP.
And, people will believe them.
In the meantime.....no one on the left is complaining about Obama illegally picking and choosing which parts of the bill he wants to implement and when.....purely a political action.
A bill, is a bill, is a bill, is a bill. Once approved in its current state, it cannot legally be altered by the president unilaterally without congressional approval.
This particular bill is so bad, it should be scrapped.
If the American people are indeed so greatly in favor of healthcare reform, I'm sure that they will support a new bipartisan bill that's easier to implement and not as costly.
Picking & choosing which Laws to uphold and parts of other to enforce, or not, is indicative of Obama's delusion that he has the power of all three branches within himself.
History is loaded with unfortunate circumstances from people that think as such.
It is wrong, harmful and holds no place in our Nation.
Most polls show that Americans are against Obamacare.
Yet most polls also show that they're overwhelmingly in support of the vast majority of what ACA provides.
Imagine that: GOP propaganda has gotten people voting in polls in a completely contradictory manner. When they're asked the political question, they respond the way the GOP has cynically prompted them to respond. When they're asked questions about actual aspects of the healthcare system and how they want them to work, they respond directly and honestly from their true convictions.
In favor of ACA.
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Originally Posted by thecoalman
Seems they are doing what the majority wants and that goes back to when it was first passed, this has never been popular.
See above.
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Originally Posted by Ivorytickler
Um, isn't it the democrats who throwing a temper tantrum and threatening to shut down the government if they don't get what they want??? And you're blaming the republicans???
And you must think that if a a starving man refuses to eat a sandwich you give him, which is laced with arsenic, then he wants to die from starvation.
ACA was passed in 2009. It's the law of the land. Time to get over it and act responsibly, to pay the nation's bills, rather than trying to kill the country because you've lost the same vote about 40 times already. Grow up right-wingers.
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Does not hunt. The Repubs cannot actually prevent passage of the Senate version except by refusing to vote on it. That leaves the pile in their court.
Precisely. The two houses will pass conflicting bills, resulting in a conference committee. There, efforts to tie unrelated amendments to the matter, such as effectively repealing ACA despite the Republicans having lost that fight about 40 times already, will be rightfully condemned as obstruction.
But that's what the Republicans take pride in today: Acting like spoiled children demanding their way completely and blowing everything up if they don't get their way. By contrast, the Democrats compromised on free, universal healthcare, accepting instead the conservative model that is ACA. It's absolutely mind-blowing that the Republicans can look at themselves in the mirror practicing such dishonorable governance.
Yet most polls also show that they're overwhelmingly in support of the vast majority of what ACA provides.
I'm short on time this morning, but this statement stands out. Considering the massive amounts of disinformation which have been put out by both sides on this issue, along with the enormous effect that the ACA is going to have on every single citizen of this country, and the fact that the ACA was written and passed in such a backhanded way that it is inherently suspicious, this is a law that should be put up for a popular referendum vote. That is the only way in which passage of such a controversial law is going to be accepted by both sides of the aisle.
I realize this suggestion won't be welcomed by those who believe that we should automatically accept anything the government decides is good for us, but it is the logical solution to the controversy.
Yet most polls also show that they're overwhelmingly in support of the vast majority of what ACA provides.
Imagine that: GOP propaganda has gotten people voting in polls in a completely contradictory manner. When they're asked the political question, they respond the way the GOP has cynically prompted them to respond. When they're asked questions about actual aspects of the healthcare system and how they want them to work, they respond directly and honestly from their true convictions.
In favor of ACA.
See above.
And you must think that if a a starving man refuses to eat a sandwich you give him, which is laced with arsenic, then he wants to die from starvation.
ACA was passed in 2009. It's the law of the land. Time to get over it and act responsibly, to pay the nation's bills, rather than trying to kill the country because you've lost the same vote about 40 times already. Grow up right-wingers.
Precisely. The two houses will pass conflicting bills, resulting in a conference committee. There, efforts to tie unrelated amendments to the matter, such as effectively repealing ACA despite the Republicans having lost that fight about 40 times already, will be rightfully condemned as obstruction.
But that's what the Republicans take pride in today: Acting like spoiled children demanding their way completely and blowing everything up if they don't get their way. By contrast, the Democrats compromised on free, universal healthcare, accepting instead the conservative model that is ACA. It's absolutely mind-blowing that the Republicans can look at themselves in the mirror practicing such dishonorable governance.
"Yet most polls also show that they're overwhelmingly in support of the vast majority of what ACA provides."
Wrong again. There a few things most people like.
"It's the law of the land." You act as if NO law has ever been changed.
At one time women weren't allowed to vote. Blacks were considered 1/3 of a person. All alcohol was banned.
If it can be made into a law, it also can also be eliminated.
Time for the dems to decide what is more important.
Actually, it will be time for the GOP to decide what's important, as the bill will go back to the House, sans the dismantling Obamacare demand. It will be entirely up to them at that point. My guess is that Boehner will cave and pass a clean bill with the help of the Democrats because he doesn't want a shutdown on his watch, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. As I said, once it gets kicked back to the House, where we go from there will be all on the Republicans.
a law that should be put up for a popular referendum vote.
Let's see if you are capable of compromise: How about we put up each tenet of ACA for referendum individually: Guaranteed Issue. Medical Loss Ratio. Age Rating. Affordability. Essential Health Benefits. Rate Review. And so on.
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"Yet most polls also show that they're overwhelmingly in support of the vast majority of what ACA provides." Wrong again. There a few things most people like.
No. I was correct. You were wrong. Again. The vast majority of things. Even Republicans:
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* Eighty percent of Republicans favor “creating an insurance pool where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to take advantage of large group pricing benefits.” That’s backed by 75 percent of independents.
* Fifty-seven percent of Republicans support “providing subsidies on a sliding scale to aid individuals and families who cannot afford health insurance.” That’s backed by 67 percent of independents.
* Fifty-four percent of Republicans favor “requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employers.” That’s backed by 75 percent of independents.
* Fifty two percent of Republicans favor “allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26.” That’s backed by 69 percent of independents.
* Seventy eight percent of Republicans support “banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions; 86 percent of Republicans favor “banning insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill.” Those are backed by 82 percent of independents and 87 percent of independents.
* One provision that isn’t backed by a majority of Republicans: The one “expanding Medicaid to families with incomes less than $30,000 per year.”
The only tenets that a significant number of people haven't liked are the Medicaid expansion and the individual mandate.
Except it is the GOP that will take the heat. A child could lead the media campaign to pin it on them.
That's why I think Boehner will cave. He knows this to be true. And really, once the stripped down version of the bill is back in the House, they have two choices--pass it or refuse to pass it. How will they spin it to be the Democrats' fault if they are the ones who will not pass a CR?
There's no path to victory for the GOP in this. They can't defund the ACA's mandatory funding and they know it. Cruz's hoped for groundswell of grassroots support for this tactic simply didn't materialize. They have nowhere to go from here but to cave.
The funniest part of all of this is that the outcome was so predictable. I can't figure out who thought this was a good idea in the first place.
The funniest part of all of this is that the outcome was so predictable. I can't figure out who thought this was a good idea in the first place.
At this point everything with the government is becoming so predictable...
Oh... Cause we've been doing it year after year... and they keep trying...
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