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Unread 08-03-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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If every taxpayer just stopped paying taxes, that would send a message. They can't throw us all in jail, can they?
There are idiots that say they aren't taxed enough!

We should all stop paying and "allow" them to pay more on our behalf. Maybe then they'd stop crying about it?

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Unread 08-03-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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That's a complete characterization of the ACA.

If your employer had a health care plan with XYZ insurance company before ObamaCare, you will have a health care plan with XYZ insurance company after ObamaCare. There is nothing different unless your employer changes plans.

Congress and their staff has a had an employer based system for decades.

According to No, Congress isn’t trying to exempt itself from Obamacare :
Obamacare makes the cost of my employers plan too expensive for her to continue to provide it to me. Is there someone that will subsidize that cost the same way the taxpayer is being forced to subsidize congress' Obamacare costs? That is why they are not getting the same plan as me or others. Obama is just changing another part of the law.
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Unread 08-03-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Obamacare makes the cost of my employers plan too expensive for her to continue to provide it to me. Is there someone that will subsidize that cost the same way the taxpayer is being forced to subsidize congress' Obamacare costs? That is why they are not getting the same plan as me or others. Obama is just changing another part of the law.
I believe the only way that would be true is if your employer is providing an insurance plan that doesn't even meet basic Medicare levels of coverage.
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Unread 08-03-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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They are not exempt. They still have to sign up.
Their issue was that they couldn't get the government subsidies and would have to pay the full cost.
They didn't want to pay the full cost.

So now taxpayers will subsidize their premiums.

It's all taxpayer money in the end..whether it comes from Obamacare or the General Fund.

Pretty sad isn't it when workers in Congress and Congress themselves don't want to pay their full premiums.
Most of them wouldn't have qualified anyway with the 400% FPL limit.

We are going to see the deficit SOAR next year with all the subsidies Obamacare is going to be paying.

400% of poverty line is a means tested program that will now include middle class making over $50K a year.
Who would have thought that $50K a year qualified you for a means tested program ?

And that is what Obamacare is..another means tested welfare program.
What you neglect to mention is that this is a simple carry over from what they already had.
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Unread 08-03-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Obamacare makes the cost of my employers plan too expensive for her to continue to provide it to me. Is there someone that will subsidize that cost the same way the taxpayer is being forced to subsidize congress' Obamacare costs? That is why they are not getting the same plan as me or others. Obama is just changing another part of the law.
The point was already made to you that you are wrong. These people are not exempt and their treatment will be no different than it already has been.
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Unread 08-03-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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Congress and federal employees exempt themselves from something they impose on us slaves.

Go figure ...
Be careful with the label "federal employees." Those listed in the story are not rank and file federal employees, but political appointees. If federal employees had that much latitude, do you think there would be 650, 000 DoD employees on furlough right now?
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Unread 08-03-2013, 02:44 PM
 
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The point was already made to you that you are wrong. These people are not exempt and their treatment will be no different than it already has been.
No. A Congress member's staff are he/she's employees. They ought to be treated like any other employer. No company gets a penny in subsidies to pay their employee's HC and neither should they.

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Unread 08-03-2013, 04:40 PM
 
Location: state of contentment
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Obamacare makes the cost of my employers plan too expensive for her to continue to provide it to me. Is there someone that will subsidize that cost the same way the taxpayer is being forced to subsidize congress' Obamacare costs? That is why they are not getting the same plan as me or others. Obama is just changing another part of the law.
Underline mine for emphasis. Obama does not have the authority to change the law. He has been doing that, but the Constitution does not give him that authority and the people (and Congress) should not allow him to do it. It is Congress that makes law, not the President.
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Unread 08-03-2013, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Underline mine for emphasis. Obama does not have the authority to change the law. He has been doing that, but the Constitution does not give him that authority and the people (and Congress) should not allow him to do it. It is Congress that makes law, not the President.
As long as Congress does nothing he will keep on "changing laws".
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Unread 08-03-2013, 04:54 PM
 
Location: North America
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While they will still have to pretend to be taking part in the program, 75% of their premiums will be paid by you and me. So big business is exempt, many unions and companies friendly to Obama have receives waivers and congress has 3/4 of their costs paid for by the taxpayer. Only the poor slobs in the middle class and small business get screwed by Obama. This law needs to be defunded.
Hill gets Obamacare fix - John Bresnahan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

And you expected parity from Washington? Since when?
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