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Old 08-06-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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I wonder why she wasn't placed with her grandmother?

Poor baby.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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I most closely resemble a Libertarian Socialist.

That means I recognize the government and private sector for what they are: an oligarchic plutocracy where decisions are made based solely for the benefit of the institutions.

I'm getting heat here for blaming the parents first and foremost. The government as well as the private sector already have you by the balls in our system. That's why you have to take as much personal responsibility as possible to limit your interaction with institutions that don't have your best interests in mind. Then you have to hope they don't get in your way even if you tried avoiding them.

I'm not defending CPS or the foster parents. Even if CPS overstepped here (which in my mind can surely be the case) the parents were still playing Russian Roulette with smoking pot on the reg.

Don't give the government more of a reason to nose in your business.

This is all about parental/personal responsibility.
Wanted to say I agree with this. NOt a liberatarian socialist but the parents are to blame. If the dad at least wasn't smoking pot all day, he'd have had his daughter with him. Also, I fail to believe that there was only once incident of CPS catching them "smoking pot" then removing the child. Usually they give way too many chances to parents before the child is removed and the mystery of why another family member didn't take the child is still out there. The family should have taken the child, the parents shouldn't have been neglectful and the foster mom shouldn't have thrown the child and killed her. I hope foster mom rots in jail.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I wonder why she wasn't placed with her grandmother?

Poor baby.
Social agencies are underfunded and understaffed.
Slipping through the cracks is a common occurrence.
Too many people, not enough resources so it's a rubber stamp operation.

The public is not aware just how bad it really is.

Have you ever been to truancy court ?
While that's not CPS it is social issues dealing with parents and their truant kids.

I was beyond shocked as I sat there and listened to what went on.
If a parent/guardian pays $150 then all is forgotten and forgiven.
And a rep from the school is there that always agrees.

One day in truancy court tells you all you need to know about "the system".

It was part of a program I volunteered for as I work with "challenged" kids in Title 1 schools.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: North America
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Small admitted to authorities that she threw Alexandria to the ground.

I volunteer to throw this piece of crap off a 10 story building, head first.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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Wanted to say I agree with this. NOt a liberatarian socialist but the parents are to blame. If the dad at least wasn't smoking pot all day, he'd have had his daughter with him. Also, I fail to believe that there was only once incident of CPS catching them "smoking pot" then removing the child. Usually they give way too many chances to parents before the child is removed and the mystery of why another family member didn't take the child is still out there. The family should have taken the child, the parents shouldn't have been neglectful and the foster mom shouldn't have thrown the child and killed her. I hope foster mom rots in jail.
Only one case of that was cited and also that she almost dropped the child. The CPS operates with a cover your ass philosophy. If you as the CPS worker investigate and dare leave that child with the parents and somethign were to occur your butt is in a sling. Hell our governor years ago instituted a policy he deemed "when in doubt take them out". No proof just hey if you don't like the way somebody looks or don't like how they talk to you go ahead and remove the child. That is exactly what they did too. Now when something happens in foster care it is rarely reported unless like in this case it's a death. They usually cite privacy of minors issues whenever the media wants to investigage something. We have untrained, unqualified people going into homes and removing children from their parents who are guilty until proven innocent no questions asked or answered. Then the state holds them hostage and forces people to jump through hoops to try and get them back. In this case how was that woman supposed to prove to the court she DIDN'T almost drop the baby as the state said? It's simply impossible.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I saw a picture of her mug shot.
I wouldn't leave my dog with this woman based on her picture.

Meanwhile the foster father had a criminal history of marijuana drug charges.
DPS said "minor charges 10 years old don't disqualify foster parents".

Rockdale foster mom arrested in case of two-year-old's death - The Eagle: Local News
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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Social agencies are underfunded and understaffed.
Slipping through the cracks is a common occurrence.
Too many people, not enough resources so it's a rubber stamp operation.

The public is not aware just how bad it really is.

Have you ever been to truancy court ?
While that's not CPS it is social issues dealing with parents and their truant kids.

I was beyond shocked as I sat there and listened to what went on.
If a parent/guardian pays $150 then all is forgotten and forgiven.
And a rep from the school is there that always agrees.

One day in truancy court tells you all you need to know about "the system".

It was part of a program I volunteered for as I work with "challenged" kids in Title 1 schools.
I agree with this. My husband used to be a case manager in Chicago so I am aware of the horrors that are out there in families and the inadequacies of our state system to adequately protect children in custody or at risk of abuse.

I have also known that people who make a big fuss, like grandmothers or other relatives, usually can get at least temporary guardianship of the child. Especially a 2 year old baby, a relative may not want an older problem child but I find it hard to believe the grandma, unless she was also ill wouldn't have taken that baby and fought for her. And who knows, the system may have ruled her an inadequate guardian.

I don't know much about truancy, but I do know of the ins and outs of DFCS/CPS. I was involved in a situation years ago where a police officer tried to arrest me and put my son in foster care and I put up a big fuss, called relatives and had them come and steal away my child. They didn't go after him, and I ended up suing the police department for the goings on that day, but I was visited a couple times by CPS and my husband spoke with our case worker at length about her salary and education (she had a Master's and didn't even make $30K) and caseloads. She was grateful that I wasn't crazy or trying to get her to pay my rent and that I had a room and a bed for my son and food in the house and it was even quite clean though we had just moved in and still hadn't unpacked. Our case was closed within 3 weeks and because my husband, that caseworker, and one of my cousins are good people trying to do the best they can with limited time and too much work, I can understand how mistakes happen. I wish our government cared more about the welfare of these kids to adequately staff CPS/DFCS.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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The parents may have smoked pot but they managed not to let her die. Pathetic.....

Two-year-old dies in foster care | KXAN.com
The parents were criminals. The fact that she did not get put into a good foster home is an entirely separate issue.

I don't think pot should be illegal. However, it is. That being the case, you shouldn't smoke it. It's not up to the individual to decide which laws to follow and which laws not to follow.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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"The TDFPS also received allegations that Hill used marijuana on a regular basis "

No according to the ALLEGATIONS the child was removed. No proof is needed by the CPS to remove any child. The burden falls on the parents to prove the allegations are false to get their children back and undergo months of counseling with state approved shrinks and parent classes and who knows what else paid for by guess who, the taxpayers and taught by folks who don't even have children half the time just some degree from college......if they're lucky.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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The parents were criminals. The fact that she did not get put into a good foster home is an entirely separate issue.

I don't think pot should be illegal. However, it is. That being the case, you shouldn't smoke it. It's not up to the individual to decide which laws to follow and which laws not to follow.
It is absolutely up to the individual to decide. Have you ever heard of civil disobedience? The government has blood on their hands along with this failure of a foster parent.

I hope these people sue the government and foster sideways.

people who have practiced civil disobedience aka overtly/intentionally breaking the law...

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