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Old 08-13-2013, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You STLL fail to comprehend. Native born citizens can sometimes but not always be natural born citizens. To wit:

"native-born or natural-born citizen (whichever existed prior to the loss) as of the date citizenship was reacquired."
You have the concept, but your facts are backwards. You are at least now fully conceding that the "or" is not mutually exclusive. That is what DC and have been telling for two days. You appear to finally be convinced.

But you have also in that way completely abandoned the argument on which you have depended for the last two days. Since the two terms overlap, the USCIS rules are officially irrelevant to Constitutional eligibility for the Presidency and useless to the birther argument.

As to having the facts backward, native born is the subset, and natural born is the superset, not the other way around. Natural born citizens can sometimes but not always be native born citizens. The converse is not true.

Just as DC and I have always said.

 
Old 08-13-2013, 11:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And "or" does not connote mutual exclusivity. You've said so yourself.
Under which circumstance(s) would USCIS restore native born citizen status instead of natural born citizen status to a native-born citizen woman?

USCIS restores either one or the other, "whichever existed prior to the loss." Exact words.
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/S...0-0-48575.html
 
Old 08-13-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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You have the concept, but your facts are backwards.
Not at all. It is YOU who fails to comprehend.

Again...
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Under which circumstance(s) would USCIS restore native born citizen status instead of natural born citizen status to a native-born citizen woman?

USCIS restores either one or the other, "whichever existed prior to the loss." Exact words.
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-45077/0-0-0-48575.html
 
Old 08-13-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Under which circumstance(s) would USCIS restore native born citizen status instead of natural born citizen status to a native-born citizen woman?
Never.


Restoring native born status always also restores natural born status. The converse is not true.

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USCIS restores either one or the other, "whichever existed prior to the loss."
This is a another lie. Here is the USCIS statement:
"The words "shall be deemed to be a citizen of the United States to the same extent as though her marriage to said alien had taken place on or after September 22, 1922", as they appeared in the 1936 and 1940 statutes, are prospective and restore the status of native-born or natural-born citizen (whichever existed prior to the loss) as of the date citizenship was reacquired."

The word "either" (which you underlined above) can be found nowhere in the rule. The phrase " either one or the other" is likewise completely absent.

You really, really, really have to stop lying about what the USCIS rules say.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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The claim that it is all explained there is another lie.

Posting a link to something that does not say what you claim it says is just another lie.
I posted EXACTLY what USCIS states. Full explanation, here:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/30933144-post647.html

The fact that you are too stupid to comprehend the factual information posted by USCIS is on you, not me.

Calling someone a liar when they are not is a violation of this forum's TOS. Retract your post.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Not at all. It is YOU who fails to comprehend.
And yet... every single legal authority agrees with me instead of with you.

You are the poster child for "delusional."
 
Old 08-13-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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Never.
USCIS directly contradicts you:
"native-born or natural-born citizen (whichever existed prior to the loss) as of the date citizenship was reacquired."

Not all native born citizens are natural born citizens. Only some native born citizens will have the status of natural born citizen restored.

Try again.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 12:09 PM
 
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And yet... every single legal authority agrees with me instead of with you.
No, not all. We've been down that road. Among those who disagree with you: U.S. Secretaries of State, federal law, states' law, USCIS, etc., etc.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I posted EXACTLY what USCIS states.
And it does not say what you claim it says. You know that it does not, hence your refusal to quote and link to the evidence that would show otherwise. Ergo, your claims are lies.

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The fact that you are too stupid to comprehend the factual information posted by USCIS is on you, not me.
It does not require any magical powers of comprehension to demonstrate that they objectively do not say what you claim they say. Ergo, your claims are lies.

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Calling someone a liar when they are not is a violation of this forum's TOS.
Calling a lie a lie is not.And you certainly don't want to go there after having been caught editing your posts after they were responded to, lying about it, and then accusing the responder of being the one one who lied. Remember... that is not a "he said, she said" circumstance. Multiple posters caught you in the act, and the Mods have access to the technical details.

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Retract your post.
It would be immoral to retract a post that is true.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 12:12 PM
 
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Under which circumstance(s) would USCIS restore native born citizen status instead of natural born citizen status to a native-born citizen woman?

USCIS restores either one or the other, "whichever existed prior to the loss." Exact words.
Interpretation 324.2 Reacquisition of citizenship lost by marriage.
More evasion?

When would a native-born citizen not be considered a natural-born citizen?
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