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Old 08-08-2013, 07:50 AM
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Location: Florida
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You and I have different ideologies on this. I don't consider working as punishment. It's an agreement.
So is living in a society.

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I don't think the left would agree to a system like Bermuda's. They'd lose votes.
No they wouldn't.

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I think everyone has to put something in to get something out.
Then why not make it so that everyone can?

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We have so many programs available. Here in NJ we have retraining opportunities just like Glenda Bell did in order to find a new job. There is nothing wrong with that at all.
Except that there aren't enough jobs doing the work Bell was retrained for, and because there are so few jobs even the people who get those jobs still need public assistance to pay for basic essentials; and the rest have to take odd jobs cleaning other people's houses, which provides far less money than what is necessary to afford to live.

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I feel that there needs to be less handouts and more responsibility.
But why not support a system that works that way, by ensuring that there are more than enough jobs people can do that pay enough to keep people off public assistance? Why just complain and support actions that harm people, just because you're frustrated that the system isn't working perfectly?

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So will a unemployed person be required to get health insurance???
An unemployed person is supposed to be covered by Medicaid. Some state governments are refusing to do what's right in that regard, and some leaders of those states are even apparently gleeful about the prospect of such people effectively being "left to die in the streets".
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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I am hearing that even if you are unemployed you are still expect to get healthcare when you will already be living on a small amount of money from UC??

Please tell me this is not true because if it is Obama has to be the dumbest man who ever stepped foot in the white house.
Sorely lacking in integrity and common sense.

As to ObamaCare...

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Old 08-08-2013, 08:02 AM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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So is living in a society.

No they wouldn't.

Then why not make it so that everyone can?

Except that there aren't enough jobs doing the work Bell was retrained for, and because there are so few jobs even the people who get those jobs still need public assistance to pay for basic essentials; and the rest have to take odd jobs cleaning other people's houses, which provides far less money than what is necessary to afford to live.

But why not support a system that works that way, by ensuring that there are more than enough jobs people can do that pay enough to keep people off public assistance? Why just complain and support actions that harm people, just because you're frustrated that the system isn't working perfectly?

An unemployed person is supposed to be covered by Medicaid. Some state governments are refusing to do what's right in that regard, and some leaders of those states are even apparently gleeful about the prospect of such people effectively being "left to die in the streets".


I wanna know does a unemployed person have the option to have NO HEALTHCARE in 2014?
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:06 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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BUU,

I do support a system that helps people get jobs. I'm not complaining that some of my taxes goes toward workforce reinvestment. I'm also not complaining about Glenda from NC. She is working. She is paying taxes. She is helping herself. My first job doesn't pay enough so I work a second. Sometimes you have to do these things especially in this economy.

For someone like her, it's a hand up. I don't think you'll find many people on the right or left if the aisle that have a problem with it.

The whole ACA is flawed. It is causing a major hardship for business owners and employees alike. There are very few full time jobs to be found.

Any time someone says you have to buy something before they will tell you what it's about should be a huge red flag. Ex: I have a car for you to buy but you have to give me the money before you can see it or drive it. Really?
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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SO, what about the 30 million that will still be uninsured, when it was sold to us as "Every American will be insured"?
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I expect to see you in every thread saying the same thing that asks a question like this....
To quote GOP god Ronald Reagan, there you go again.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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To quote GOP god Ronald Reagan, there you go again.
Only quoting facts with obamas own words and what the CBO has stated....

Do you hate facts? It appears so....
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Bingo. That would be a hand up. Someone that has just lost their job is not in the same lines as someone that has never had one and makes their livelihood on hand outs. They have worked and are looking to work again. I have nothing against unemployment or any other temporary help. Key word being temporary.

Right.
The OP was talking specifically about collecting unemployment, so why go off on a tangent about something else?
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:11 AM
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Right.
The OP was talking specifically about collecting unemployment, so why go off on a tangent about something else?

And I still have not received a answer


Is Obama requiring a unemployed person next year to get health insurance? Can a unemployed person who is young and healthy say........."I can't afford healthcare and don't wish to have it at this time"
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:38 AM
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Location: Florida
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I wanna know does a unemployed person have the option to have NO HEALTHCARE in 2014?
To answer your question:

Full article: The Requirement to Buy Coverage Under the Affordable Care Act | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

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I do support a system that helps people get jobs. I'm not complaining that some of my taxes goes toward workforce reinvestment. I'm also not complaining about Glenda from NC. She is working. She is paying taxes. She is helping herself. My first job doesn't pay enough so I work a second. Sometimes you have to do these things especially in this economy. For someone like her, it's a hand up. I don't think you'll find many people on the right or left if the aisle that have a problem with it.
So you and I agree completely.

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The whole ACA is flawed.
Everything is flawed. Nothing will ever be perfect. The important point here is that ACA is less flawed than how healthcare was before ACA. Why?

  • Guaranteed Issue
  • Essential Benefits
  • Medical Loss Ratio
  • Age Rating
And so on.

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It is causing a major hardship for business owners and employees alike.
The net effect of ACA is positive. Some people are unhappy with it, and aren't getting as good of a deal as before, but those that are getting a better deal are being substantially lifted out of such a horrible situation that it makes the downside experienced by others look trivial. It is a matter of having reasonable perspective - with a reasonable weighting of the positives and negatives, it is very significantly a net positive. If, instead, you choose to narrow your view, and look only on how ACA affect certain people you care about, then surely you can see it differently. It is always possible to focus on the negatives and thereby erroneously conclude that something is negative.

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There are very few full time jobs to be found.
Let's fix that.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Right.
The OP was talking specifically about collecting unemployment, so why go off on a tangent about something else?
It was a rebuttal to another tangent from someone else that was off topic. I didn't start the off topic points but I shouldn't have responded to it either. It just made it continue. Disregard.
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