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Here is the tax code, sec. 501c4:
Please explain how any Tea Party group meets the requirement for this exemption?
if the exemption doesnt fit, then the IRS should have told them up front that they dont fall under the 501(c)4 exemption rather than drag the procedure out for months to years and asking for information that the IRS has NO business having.
The thing is that there is nothing in the application that triggers a second screening according to the testimony. They are still doing it simply because "Tea Party" is in the title of the application.
Still waiting to hear the names of the liberal groups complaining of the same harassment.
if the exemption doesnt fit, then the IRS should have told them up front that they dont fall under the 501(c)4 exemption rather than drag the procedure out for months to years and asking for information that the IRS has NO business having.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that the IRS has no right to investigate the applicant and then say they should have rejected them immediately. The IRS can't reject the applicant until they review and investigate the application.
What took time was correspondence back and forth between the applicants and the IRS. In addition, the IRS says it was inundated with a flood of applications -- all at a time when Congress was cutting IRS funds.
Ok. At some point, a new president will take the tax exempt status away from all the leftist thieving groups out there whose only point of existence is to siphon off tax money from the welfare system to give kickbacks to leftist pols.
And then investigate every single one for tax evasion. Take the assets from every single person who ever made a contribution to a Democratic candidate.
The thing is that there is nothing in the application that triggers a second screening according to the testimony. They are still doing it simply because "Tea Party" is in the title of the application.
Still waiting to hear the names of the liberal groups complaining of the same harassment.
Complaining, not really, but under the same scrutiny as conservative political groups, apsolutely. Maybe Cons are just bigger whiners, just kidding.
The thing is that there is nothing in the application that triggers a second screening according to the testimony. They are still doing it simply because "Tea Party" is in the title of the application.
Still waiting to hear the names of the liberal groups complaining of the same harassment.
Ah, see that's just it.
The liberal groups that have experienced long delays aren't complaining because they expected the process to take a long time. They didn't regard it as harassment, simply a federal agency acting, well, like a federal agency.
"But even with the delays, leaders of several progressive groups said they didn't feel like they were being targeted.
"This is kind of what you expect. You expect it to take a year or more to get your status because that's just what the IRS goes through to do it," said Maryann Martindale, executive director of Alliance for a Better Utah, a small non-profit that advocates for progressive causes. "So I don't know that we feel particularly targeted."
if it were just one or two people making the claims, i would agree with you, but when lots of people step forward and make the claims that the IRS is asking for information that is illegal, then there is a pattern there that needs to be investigated. and as i said before, what if it was the bush administration doing this to liberal groups? what would your reaction be then?
as i have said many times before, the IRS MUST BE non political. it must NEVER be used as a weapon against the party not in power.
Don't waste your time. He KNOWS what the IRS did and doesn't care. He is a shill for the DNC.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that the IRS has no right to investigate the applicant and then say they should have rejected them immediately. The IRS can't reject the applicant until they review and investigate the application.
What took time was correspondence back and forth between the applicants and the IRS. In addition, the IRS says it was inundated with a flood of applications -- all at a time when Congress was cutting IRS funds.
Yaddah, yaddah, yaddah 0bama called their conduct "outrageous," he did not use that term because the IRS was doing their job, it was because their targeting of TEA party groups was outrageous, and yet they are still doing it, and not a peep out of 0bama. Why? Because it's what he wanted them to do all along.
Yet another deflection. Why not just answer the question?
Your question was a deflection to begin with. Nobody every suggested that the groups shouldn't be scrutinized in the first place. Asking if someone "really" believes something they never said they believed in the first place is just another form of the age old "so when did you stop beating your wife" question.
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How does any one of us know what is normal behavior in these cases?
We have groups stating that they waited one, two, seven years to be approved.
Of course those who want to believe that there is some sort of persecution of only certain groups dismiss these FACTS out of hand when they are reported by anyone other than TEA or other conservative groups.
And you make no mention of the fact that over one hundred conservative groups were targeted while only seven liberal groups were targeted and that all seven groups got their status approved and none of the conservative groups did. You also make no mention of the fact that these groups were asked questions that had absolutely nothing to do with how the funds the gathered were spent. They were asked questions like what religion they were a member of. Completely inappropriate none of the IRS's business. They then illegally shared information with other agencies, which you also ignore.
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If any TEA, etc. group is approved in less time than any liberal group, how can anyone argue that this process isn't "normal" or that they have been selected for extra scrutiny?
The IRS has already admitted they were selected for extra scrutiny. Your question is meaningless at this point. You should have asked that 6 months ago. Now, the IRS has already accepted wrongdoing. It's now just a question of who ordered it and how extensive it was.
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And just because groups on one side of the aisle choose to whine and cloak themselves in victim-hood, as so many on the right choose to do, doesn't mean that their tantrums are at all reflective of reality.
Conservatives are racist woman haters who want the poor to die in the streets. Sound familiar? That's what your side says. So that sentence is purely laughable. Calling out conservatives for cloaking themselves in victim-hood is out and out absurd coming from the people who say Susan Rice's integrity was only questioned because she was a black woman.
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Just admit that you believe that the groups that you approve of should be granted tax-exempt status just because and stop pretending otherwise.
Nobody said the groups deserved tax exempt status. They object to the IRS methods, not the end results. More deflection from you, trying to sweep the actions of the IRS under the rug and make it about us just wanting our own groups to get approvals.
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