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You'd hate it if it was, wouldn't you, just like the other mean little things commenting here? Substantive? Who knows. Plausible? Maybe not? Inexplicable? Perhaps. Possible? Could be. You can no more disprove it with snide remarks than I can explain and prove it. You see, that's where faith comes in, or not.
Not too judgemental yourself...are you? You wear your "faith" very self-righteously while you sit on a high horse. Aren't ye of such endless faith taught to "turn the other cheek" and "judge not"??? Such hypocrsiy and that is what ignites the ire in many individuals.
100% proof God is Catholic, a religion that let's you wear shorts to church and got the hottest women belonging to it. You have to be an idiot not to be Catholic.
If you take into account the word "Catholic" simply means "Church" when translated from Hebrew, all
Christian religion started out Catholic.
Jesus was crucified because he proclaimed he was "The Son of God" and the Jew's didn't buy it.
You'd hate it if it was, wouldn't you, just like the other mean little things commenting here? Substantive? Who knows. Plausible? Maybe not? Inexplicable? Perhaps. Possible? Could be. You can no more disprove it with snide remarks than I can explain and prove it. You see, that's where faith comes in, or not.
Obviously nobody can "prove" this was a miracle involving an angel. Or disprove it, for that matter. I feel it is just being put forth that the miracle/angel conclusion might not be the first conclusion to reach and settle on as an "explanation.".
Is it within the realm of possibility? Given the perhaps infinite nature of the universe and the little we really know about it and reality, sure. Could be this was a miracle and an angel was involved.
Is there anything about the story that makes it reasonable to assume it was such a miraculous/angelic event?
Not to me, but I grant it could be.
By the same token, it could be just as well the alleged priest is a leprechaun. Equally possible when you get right down to it.
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Interesting. Says a lot about where lack of faith leads some people. To a place of accusation, belittlement and harsh judgment apparently.
I don't know what the source of your hostility is.
Throughout this thread, I have acknowledged we simply do not know if this was a miraculous happening or whether or not gods exist. Those are just plain facts.
For that, I and others have had derision heaped on us and have been called names, etc.
Seems quite obvious where the accusation and hypocrisy is coming from.
I can respect a person's beliefs and still question why they believe the things they claim to believe.
Throughout this thread, I have acknowledged we simply do not know if
this was a miraculous happening or whether or not gods exist. Those are just
plain facts.
Yes we do know. It was a real flesh and blood priest, with a real name, driving by in a real car and allowed onto the site by a real sheriff. I see nothing miraculous about it.
Obviously nobody can "prove" this was a miracle involving an angel. Or disprove it, for that matter. I feel it is just being put forth that the miracle/angel conclusion might not be the first conclusion to reach and settle on as an "explanation.".
Is it within the realm of possibility? Given the perhaps infinite nature of the universe and the little we really know about it and reality, sure. Could be this was a miracle and an angel was involved.
Is there anything about the story that makes it reasonable to assume it was such a miraculous/angelic event?
Not to me, but I grant it could be.
By the same token, it could be just as well the alleged priest is a leprechaun. Equally possible when you get right down to it.
I don't know what the source of your hostility is.
Throughout this thread, I have acknowledged we simply do not know if this was a miraculous happening or whether or not gods exist. Those are just plain facts.
For that, I and others have had derision heaped on us and have been called names, etc.
Seems quite obvious where the accusation and hypocrisy is coming from.
I can respect a person's beliefs and still question why they believe the things they claim to believe.
My comment wasn't directed at you. As for your final sentence, who knows. Faith is faith and people either have it or they don't. Many who were raised "in" a faith leave it. Many who weren't find it somewhere. It truly is inexplicable. But having or not having it is very individual and should not be derided either way. It's that which makes me defensive.
Not too judgemental yourself...are you? You wear your "faith" very self-righteously while you sit on a high horse. Aren't ye of such endless faith taught to "turn the other cheek" and "judge not"??? Such hypocrsiy and that is what ignites the ire in many individuals.
Silly wabbit! I haven't declared either faith or lack thereof. I've simply decried the belittling comments. Assumptions can be tricky, ya know.
If you take into account the word "Catholic" simply means "Church" when translated from Hebrew, all
Christian religion started out Catholic.
Jesus was crucified because he proclaimed he was "The Son of God" and the Jew's didn't buy it.
Catholic is a Greek word that means "universal." Ergo, the Catholic Church or sometimes called the Universal Church.
The term church can be roughly translated to mean "gathering community."
The New Testament was first composed in Greek. Paul like many Jews of his time were Hellenistic in culture. That's why in the book of John Jesus is referred to as "Logos." (In the original Greek that is.)
Our local radio stations talk radio programs topic this morning was guardian angels. Caller after caller related their own experiences. Some were dreams of warning, mysterious strangers who prevented tragedy or injury, appearances of loved ones after death in times of crisis or just making their presence known, or just very odd coincidences that were harbingers of some event. It made you wonder and more inclined to believe when you just stop to think about all these occurrences happening to people that you never hear about.
When you look at different religions, they usually contain "magic." For example:
The Mormon religion contains the magical golden plates, the magical angel, the magical seer stones, the magical ascension of the plates into heaven, etc.
The Muslim faith contains the magical angel, the magical flying horse, the magical voices, the magical prophet, etc.
The Christian faith contains the magical insemination, the magical star, the magical dreams, the magical miracles, the magical resurrection, the magical ascension and so on.
The presence of "magic" is a clear marker for "imaginary."
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