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People seem to struggle with this simple point. I don't agree with the death sentence either, but it is what it is. If I knew I could get five years in prison for a certain crime, I would simply not commit such crime. These people we are talking to here are habitual criminals, and when they get caught they cry about the unfairness of the sentencing. Hello, if you can't handle five years, then DON'T COMMIT THE CRIME. A personal opinon about the fairness of the sentencing is irrelevant. Obey the law, and you won't have to serve the time. It is that simple.
For the last time, my friend isn't the one complaining - I am!!!!
And I guess you are incapable of answering a direct question (actually two, since we also asked if you've ever committed a crime), so I will leave the discussion at that. Thanks for once again proving you have no argument in this matter, and cannot even follow a simple conversation.
For those who are as confused as Finn, I will remind you that the topic of this thread is "should we legalize" - not "is weed bad for you" or "should people who get caught while it's illegal be prosecuted." Got it?
People seem to struggle with this simple point. I don't agree with the death sentence either, but it is what it is. If I knew I could get five years in prison for a certain crime, I would simply not commit such crime. These people we are talking to here are habitual criminals, and when they get caught they cry about the unfairness of the sentencing. Hello, if you can't handle five years, then DON'T COMMIT THE CRIME. A personal opinon about the fairness of the sentencing is irrelevant. Obey the law, and you won't have to serve the time. It is that simple.
Yup. I'd love to be able to drive 100MPH on the highway but I don't because I don't want the ticket/jail time. Some people seem to think that if they want to do something against the law that the laws are just stupid and can be ignored. Sorry, you get the penalty and you KNOW that up front. It's not like someone lied to you.
There is no value to society in legalizing weed and many pitfalls. Just look at the issues we have with legalized alcohol. We don't need other legalized drugs. There's no value in legalizing them.
I never said that alcohol isn't a gateway drug, but weed and booze are gateway drugs for different reasons. Alcohol is a gateway drug because it affects your better judgement. It's more associated with former addicts relapsing when they're drinking. Weed is a gateway drug because it affects your better judgement, and it leads you to environments where illegal drugs are being used because it's illegal. I don't want my kids smoking weed because I think it's any more dangerous than drinking. My problem with it is that I don't want my kids in a dangerous environment dealing with sleazy drug dealers, or being exposed to hard drugs. My other problem with weed is that it very rarely is used responsibly. Most people that drink are not drunks whereas most people that smoke weed habitually get stoned every day (this is a statistical fact). The reason is because it's easier to get away with. going to work or school while you're blazed because people that don't smoke rarely notice. Try doing that while drinking and you'll find yourself unemployed real quick. Also, I'm so sick of hearing all this hippy nonsense about how weed can cure cancer, power the earth, end starvation etc. It's a recreational drug and nothing more. Medical marijuana is just an excuse to legally smoke.
All this being said I still believe that all drugs should be decriminalized, and the money we waste on fighting a war that can't be won should be used for drug treatment and education, but that's another argument.
Actually, that last part IS the whole argument - or did you also forget this thread is asking whether we should legalize? The question isn't how bad it is, how addictive it is, etc. Those are all irrelevant to the discussion, since I think most people here would agree we have many WORSE things in the world that are illegal... so if that's how you want to determine laws, say goodbye to liquor, fast food, and a zillion other things most of us probably enjoy from time to time.
For the record, I am a regular user but NEVER smoke before work EVER. So even us "habitual users" can exercise restraint, which generally cannot be said for a habitual drinker. Do you really think an alcoholic refrains before work? Doubt it. And yes, medical marijuana is often used as an excuse for recreational use - which is precisely why we need to drop the charade and just legalize already. I do actually have a condition it helps greatly (and all pharmaceuticals for the condition make me sick), but I also use it for the sheer enjoyment. All humans use things that feel good, so there ya go.
Yup. I'd love to be able to drive 100MPH on the highway but I don't because I don't want the ticket/jail time. Some people seem to think that if they want to do something against the law that the laws are just stupid and can be ignored. Sorry, you get the penalty and you KNOW that up front. It's not like someone lied to you.
Smoking a doobie in the privacy of your own home, on your own time poses no threat, and causes no harm to anyone else! Driving 100 MPH on the highway on the other hand does pose a threat to others! Big difference.
For the record, I am a regular user but NEVER smoke before work EVER. So even us "habitual users" can exercise restraint, which generally cannot be said for a habitual drinker. Do you really think an alcoholic refrains before work? Doubt it. And yes, medical marijuana is often used as an excuse for recreational use - which is precisely why we need to drop the charade and just legalize already. I do actually have a condition it helps greatly (and all pharmaceuticals for the condition make me sick), but I also use it for the sheer enjoyment. All humans use things that feel good, so there ya go.
I've never drank or smoked before work. That doesn't mean there haven't been times where I wouldn't love to smoke before work, just to not have to deal with co-workers, but I don't. Sigh.
Actually, that last part IS the whole argument - or did you also forget this thread is asking whether we should legalize? The question isn't how bad it is, how addictive it is, etc. Those are all irrelevant to the discussion, since I think most people here would agree we have many WORSE things in the world that are illegal... so if that's how you want to determine laws, say goodbye to liquor, fast food, and a zillion other things most of us probably enjoy from time to time.
For the record, I am a regular user but NEVER smoke before work EVER. So even us "habitual users" can exercise restraint, which generally cannot be said for a habitual drinker. Do you really think an alcoholic refrains before work? Doubt it. And yes, medical marijuana is often used as an excuse for recreational use - which is precisely why we need to drop the charade and just legalize already. I do actually have a condition it helps greatly (and all pharmaceuticals for the condition make me sick), but I also use it for the sheer enjoyment. All humans use things that feel good, so there ya go.
Oh I've known a few "functional" alcoholics in my time, but I get what you're saying. And like you I wouldn't come to work under the influence of anything.... Well.... accept maybe caffeine and nicotine. Having a few beers or smoking a doobie is me time. Going to work intoxicated is about as moronic as you can get.
And I'm with you on the whole medical marijuana thing. Yes there are medical purposes for it, but it's about time that we end the charade, and legalize it PERIOD!
There is no value to society in legalizing weed and many pitfalls. Just look at the issues we have with legalized alcohol. We don't need other legalized drugs. There's no value in legalizing them.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Your viewpoint is so profoundly wrong, I can only pity you. A lot of people would appreciate an alternative to the more harmful health effects of alcohol. Oklahoma once thought legalizing casinos was of no value. But minds were changed and today few people want to close the casinos. They have brought thousands of jobs and much entertainment to the state. Sooner or later, Oklahomans will realize that marijuana can do the same thing for jobs, by legalizing it.
Smoking a doobie in the privacy of your own home, on your own time poses no threat, and causes no harm to anyone else! Driving 100 MPH on the highway on the other hand does pose a threat to others! Big difference.
I'll disagree with that given the stupid things I've seen high people do. For example, the neighbor who got high and then decided to do some target practice in his backyard. His desire to get high, in the privacy of his own home, ended up jeopardizing the entire neighborhood.
Getting high does not enhance ones decision making skills.
Here's the rub. I don't need you getting high because I don't want to live in a society of high people. What value is your getting high to me? Why should I legalize your drugs just because you want to get high? How do I know you won't just do something stupid while high that won't endanger my family? How do I know that one bad decision made while high won't lead to 12 more?
Now if you want to talk about drugs that make you a more productive member of society that enhance decision making skills, I'm here...
Wake up and smell the coffee. Your viewpoint is so profoundly wrong, I can only pity you. A lot of people would appreciate an alternative to the more harmful health effects of alcohol. Oklahoma once thought legalizing casinos was of no value. But minds were changed and today few people want to close the casinos. They have brought thousands of jobs and much entertainment to the state. Sooner or later, Oklahomans will realize that marijuana can do the same thing by legalizing it.
LOL. You seem to have failed to explain why I'm wrong. I really don't care what drugs drug users prefer. There is no benefit to society to people getting high. Society decides the rules. I'm in favor of restricting drug use because I really don't care to live in a society that thinks drug use is ok. It's not. People make poor decisions under the influence. I don't need to wake up. You need to grow up and become an adult.
I'll disagree with that given the stupid things I've seen high people do. For example, the neighbor who got high and then decided to do some target practice in his backyard. His desire to get high, in the privacy of his own home, ended up jeopardizing the entire neighborhood.
Getting high does not enhance ones decision making skills.
Here's the rub. I don't need you getting high because I don't want to live in a society of high people. What value is your getting high to me? Why should I legalize your drugs just because you want to get high? How do I know you won't just do something stupid while high that won't endanger my family?
What about alcohol?
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Yup. I'd love to be able to drive 100MPH on the highway but I don't because I don't want the ticket/jail time. Some people seem to think that if they want to do something against the law that the laws are just stupid and can be ignored. Sorry, you get the penalty and you KNOW that up front. It's not like someone lied to you.
