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What you "choose to do with your body" directly impacts wether a growing human being lives or dies. Making abortion only a women's issue is simplistic, because two other people are directly impacted by the woman's choice. But doing so makes it easy to broadly paint pro-life advocates as woman-hating misogynists.
It's may not be viewed as "somebody else" if you close your eyes hard enough and convince yourself it's just a lump of cells, like a wart or a cyst.
It's may not be viewed as "somebody else" if you close your eyes hard enough and convince yourself it's just a lump of cells, like a wart or a cyst.
When the zygote/fetus can survive on it's own, we'll talk about "somebody else." Until then, its rights shouldn't supersede that of a living, breathing human being.
No. The only logical inconsistency here is you ascribing motivations to people you've never met.
Actually, I haven't ascribed a motive to anyone. The only thing I have ascribed is a point of view, which has nothing to do with their motivation for having that point of view. It doesn't really matter what the motivation is, if you voluntarily participate in an activity you are, by default, supporting that activity. Hence, if you voluntarily receive an abortion you are, by default, pro-abortion at the time when you do so.
You do realize that my point has absolutely no bearing on this thread, don't you? I honestly don't care if someone is pro-choice or pro-life. I'm glad my mother didn't choose abortion, but that's as much emotional investment as I have in the topic. The entire argument has been legally settled for 40 years now, yet it's still a main topic of discussion when elections roll around. That says a lot about the average voter.
So often I hear the following from the Pro Choice crowd: "I'm not pro abortion, I am pro choice." There's one problem with that statement; one of the "choices" that they support, when performed correctly, results in death 100% of the time. The Pro Death crowd needs to take a long hard look in the mirror at their War on Babies.
You ask the question, then you go on to proclaim pro choice as pro death. Do you really want an honest answer to this, or are you just on the attack?
I'll answer anyway: Pro choice means it's up to the woman, period. Her body, her choice.
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So often I hear the following from the Pro Choice crowd: "I'm not pro abortion, I am pro choice." There's one problem with that statement; one of the "choices" that they support, when performed correctly, results in death 100% of the time. The Pro Death crowd needs to take a long hard look in the mirror at their War on Babies.
How can there be a death where there isn't a life?
Trying to protect the life of an innocent child in the womb, is now "inherently fascist authoritarian?"
Doh! I keep forgetting, you pro-choicers think the fetus is always a lump of inanimate cells, even up to and including the birth; and in some case even hours after the birth.
Then don't ***** about TANF. Don't ***** about govt' sponsored birth control, and sex education in schools, including contraception.
Don't call women who want their insurance companies to pay for their contraception (just like they do with viagra and cialis) sluts.
And arrange to have all the unwanted babies being born,even the mixed race and severely disabled, adopted right out of the chute.
When the zygote/fetus can survive on it's own, we'll talk about "somebody else." Until then, its rights shouldn't supersede that of a living, breathing human being.
Does that "somebody else" have a social security number? Can I claim that "somebody else" on my taxes to get a deduction? When should I add that "somebody else" to my medical insurance? Can that "somebody else" be used for carpooling purposes? Would I need to buy that "somebody else" an airline or movie ticket? Should I tell the hotel that there will be one child because of that "somebody else?"
I consider myself pro-women. Because I believe that only the woman involved can truly understand the risks involved with her pregnancy. I believe that women are responsible, intelligent, and moral, and that they make their decisions about abortions in a responsible, intelligent and moral way. While I respect the people whose value of a fetus is based on a profound appreciation for the miracle of human life, I think they sometimes forget that the woman's life has value, both to her and to society. SHE and she alone knows what an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy will do to her life. Pregnancy and having a child has a huge impact on a woman's life, sometimes that impact can be devastating. People opposed to abortion seem to dismiss that fact as unimportant. It's not unimportant to the woman and her family that suffers that impact.
Exactly. Carry that baby till it's born, then you're on your own. Don't ask for TANF you lazy good for nuthin, you wanted birth control, well, pay for it, ****.
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