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Do you have anything to back your hopeless attempt to redefine Conservatives?
Since you appear to be completely clueless as to the definition of "conservative" I will spell it out for you:
Conservative Adjective
Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion.
Noun
A person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in politics.
The traditional values of the US are itemized within the Declaration of Independence as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Concepts that I am certain are completely alien to you.
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What expansion of rights is involved w/ the abolition of the ACA?
Inherent rights are not "expanded" they are preserved or suppressed. The Democratic Party has always been about suppressing "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" while the Republican Party has always been about preserving those traditional national values.
Since you appear to be completely clueless as to the definition of "conservative" I will spell it out for you:
Conservative Adjective
Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion.
Noun
A person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in politics.
The traditional values of the US are itemized within the Declaration of Independence as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Concepts that I am certain are completely alien to you.
So by opposing any & every attempt to extend voting, property, and civil rights to minorities and women, Conservatives have somehow been fighting for traditional values? I guess you mean traditional in the "White male" sense then...
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Inherent rights are not "expanded" they are preserved or suppressed. The Democratic Party has always been about suppressing "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" while the Republican Party has always been about preserving those traditional national values.
So in other words, Conservatives have done nothing to expand rights, which by definition is exactly what "Conservative" means.
The categories of "liberalism" and "conservatism" as used today are in essence collectivism vs. individualism. These categories did not apply in the early to mid 19th century, since most favored individualism in the young American republic.
Nonetheless it is fair to ask which side of today's spectrum had the most in common with the anti-slavery contingent of the 19th century. The anti-slavers were generally very religious and would today no doubt find the most in common with the religious right. A good example was William Lloyd Garrison, prominent abolitionist and publisher of The Liberator. Many of the abolitionists would now also be classified as gun nuts and extremists, e.g. Henry Ward Beecher of 'Beecher's Bibles' fame (Beecher's Bibles were Sharps rifles) Beecher's Bibles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And Harriet Tubman, who toted a rifle while leading slaves to freedom via the underground railroad. Today's libs would never have tolerated such gun-violence, while today's conservatives would have cheered.
So by opposing any & every attempt to extend voting, property, and civil rights to minorities and women, Conservatives have somehow been fighting for traditional values? I guess you mean traditional in the "White male" sense then...
You have that backwards, as usual. Conservatives have always fought to preserve voting and civil rights for everyone, equally, while it has been and continues to be the Democratic Party fighting to suppress those rights.
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So in other words, Conservatives have done nothing to expand rights, which by definition is exactly what "Conservative" means.
I realize that "inherent rights" is not a concept that you can comprehend, but inherent rights cannot be "expanded." They can be acknowledged and preserved, as Republicans have done and continue to do since the nation was founded. Or they can be denied and suppressed, as Democrats have done and continue to do since their inception.
You have that backwards, as usual. Conservatives have always fought to preserve voting and civil rights for everyone, equally, while it has been and continues to be the Democratic Party fighting to suppress those rights.
I realize that "inherent rights" is not a concept that you can comprehend, but inherent rights cannot be "expanded." They can be acknowledged and preserved, as Republicans have done and continue to do since the nation was founded. Or they can be denied and suppressed, as Democrats have done and continue to do since their inception.
This is the question that conservatives cannot seem to answer. According to conservatives, the nation is founded on so called conservative principles or principles that conservatives hold, and yet when conservatives are asked ok name a modern President that represents conservatism, they can usually name one or two at the most. And this is going back to Teddy Roosevelt's presidency.
Now to rational people this should cause some introspection of your position.
If you say America is founded on these values, and you say that conservatives represent those values, the question that has to come to a rational person's mind is why doesn't the American public elect conservative Presidents according to conservatives?
Again, Glitch according to you America has only elected one president in the last 84 years that you think represents those values. How is that possible?
Again, modern conservatism has no connection to this nation's history much past FDR. It did not exist as a political ideology during the enslavement of Africans.
Modern day American conservatism is a backlash governing philosophy that was started in response to FDR, labor rights victories, civil rights, and the women's rights.
conservatives had nothing to do with the labor movement, civil rights movement or women's rights, or any movement for freedom there are people who are alive who lead many of those fights and you can ask them if they identified as conservatives. You can ask them if in their movement they saw conservatives as great allies for freedom.
I know in the case of civil rights leaders who are still alive today, they'd say no to both of those questions.
conservatives have to invent a connection to the past. So they attempt to co-opt the founders as modern conservatives. They distort history.
Again, ask any modern conservatives to name the Presidents they claim besides the founders. Ask the last 100years of American history how many Presidents have Americans elected that conservatives say were conservative?
They'll usually name Reagan and that's it, because modern conservatism isn't really connected to this nation's history of governance. This is why they don't see their values represented in American Presidents.
Again conservatism is so great, the founders, freedom, blah, blah, blah but Americans don't elect conservative Presidents according to conservatives.
If you can get them to say why they think this is the case, then you'll see their hatred for much of the American people laid out in their answer.
So, Democrats were against Civil Rights before they were for them?
Got it.
(Has anyone ever seen little jmqueen and John Kerry in the same room at the same time?)
LOL Little Youknowwhat. That's priceless!
OF course the truth is that racists were Democrats before they became Republicans. You know that. But keep pretending that your beloved party isn't universally known for the racists that they are if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy!
You have that backwards, as usual. Conservatives have always fought to preserve voting and civil rights for everyone, equally, while it has been and continues to be the Democratic Party fighting to suppress those rights.
So who were the Conservatives opposing during the suffrage movement of women & Blacks? Who were the Conservatives opposing when they were fighting for worker's rights and labor laws? Liberals?
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I realize that "inherent rights" is not a concept that you can comprehend, but inherent rights cannot be "expanded." They can be acknowledged and preserved, as Republicans have done and continue to do since the nation was founded. Or they can be denied and suppressed, as Democrats have done and continue to do since their inception.
You know exactly what I mean by "expanded." Expanding WHO gets the benefits of rights. So once again, tell me what measures Conservatives have taken the lead in expanding WHO rights apply to and WHO gets to benefit from it.
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