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Old 08-14-2013, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by emcee squared View Post
How do you know? You claim to not understand what the term means. Therefore, you cannot determine whether or not it is covered without first understanding what it is.
Shows you how much he knows. You can smack yourself silly and it's covered.

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Old 08-14-2013, 10:50 PM
 
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OMG what cr@p. WalMart type doctor? Hrm, mine is incredibly well educated, is involved in the research community and has presented at conferences and published (all while running a full-time practice). Every patient he sees is 1:1, as is the case with EVERY doctor I have ever encountered. Considering I am visiting a lot of people in the hospital (my church is in a retirement community), I can state categorically that you are spouting nothing but lies.
No, I am not. Lucky you, but those days aren't long for the world. 1:1 visits will be a thing of the past. Progress demands sacrifice. How greedy to expect one to have a primary care physician all to oneself during a visit when there are people who go without any physician's care! That sounds rather asocial to boot! We are all in this together my northern friend- All of us!

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They don't do that here. They don't do that in any country that I know of. Why would they do that in the US? Did you read about it on some rightie fear-mongering site?
Fluffing a preferred spew with expected partisan hackery is nothing new here on C-D. Try again, please. But the so-called left is just the poor person's conniving analogy to the so-called right, a purposeful antagonism that you should know, and they work in tandem. Politics has changed a lot; they all work on behalf of their corporate whip and only those outside the loop have no clue as to these modern arrangements.

Efficiency and costs plus an increase in visits are already causing an influx of doctor's grouping their patients together and the popularity of doing so has increased since the concept gained traction in the early part of the last decade.

See:

Share your doctor's appointment with a stranger - CNN.com

Group doctor visits: What you need to know about shared appointments - CBS News

Some Doctors Offering Group Visits For Multiple Patients « CBS Pittsburgh

Shared Medical Visits Gain in Popularity - WSJ.com

Shared medical appointments streamline doctor's visits | TIME.com

This is a manual of sorts written by a HC consulting group, PDF reader required:

www.umassmed.edu/uploadedfiles/diabetes/resources/groupvisits101.pdf

Now why are you two mocking Walmart-style doctors? Everyone knows that lowered costs and efficiency plus an unequivocal standardized quality-of-care is the new must-have communal civic guarantee needed by the responsible citizen of a developed place.

Walmart is the premier model to follow if a nation is going to offer affordable HC for everyone (or almost everyone) and so that will be the model that is followed, until something more efficient and cheap and standard comes along. Don't worry, people have slowly been giving up privacy in the name of a forced cheerful comaraderie for some time now and why should health issues be an excuse to keep one bashful or asocial? Remember, privacy is for the proud. Unless you have something to hide...?

I think group visits are just dandy! Why tax the poor doctor with repeating the same damned things to X amount of sufferers, as his wages are cut and his patient load becomes analogous to an American public school classroom, overcrowded and underfunded? Do a group visit and have them get their auto-pen-signed Rx filled by an automated pharmacist, as illustrated here:

Pharmacy robot / Automated kiosk dispenses refills - SFGate

http://www.pharmabox24.com/en/index.htm

I tend to think of UHC as one of those guilded barges built to please an emperor, except everyone today must believe that democracy will provide them with their very own barge.

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Old 08-14-2013, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Anyone who truly understand how it works will want no part of it. It a terrible system that is hated by anyone who lives where it exists..
So the final years of lives where people live longer than in the United States must be in sheer misery and so you wouldn't want a few years longer life for what they have to put up with.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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We spend so much and waste so much because of our multi-payer system, that we would free up an additional $416 billion a year just by moving to single payer. That would cover health insurance for every currently uninsured man, woman and child in the country with enough left over for frozen yogurt.

This is what opponent of UHC keep missing. We are already paying more than we need for universal healthcare. Right now.

And still... we're dying to young.
Conservatives will still tell you universal health care is far from worth having. This is because you will be put on a waiting list for needed surgery that may take months. In the United States you can get your surgery done is less than a week, or two.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Re your doctors treading herds of people all at once like sheep, or a pastor tending his flock....that's preposterous. We've had UHC up here for half a century and nothing like that has ever crossed our minds. I guess the US just does things differently. A whole lot differently.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:39 PM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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An even better question ... how can someone with enough knowledge and skill to use a computer to the degree necessary to access the World Wide Web, access and successfully subscribed to City-Data, and create & post a message, apparently not know how to use a search engine to find a simple definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care
Universal health care — sometimes referred to as universal health coverage, universal coverage, or universal care — usually refers to a health care system which provides health care and financial protection to all its citizens. It is organized around providing a specified package of benefits to all members of a society with the end goal of providing financial risk protection, improved access to health services, and improved health outcomes. Universal health care is not a one-size-fits-all concept; nor does it imply coverage for all people for everything. Universal health care can be determined by three critical dimensions: who is covered, what services are covered, and how much of the cost is covered.
Shucks.

The darned definition itself is an oxymoron.


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Old 08-15-2013, 01:09 AM
 
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A system in a compassionate society, where everyone puts their money in a communal pot, so every single one of its citizens has access to health care and no one is terrified of getting sick and going broke.
Or, as the righties like to say....communism.



Everyone?


Or as Lefties like to say "The General Welfare Clause".

It covers everything to them, even candy for kids!
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Old 08-15-2013, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Shucks.

The darned definition itself is an oxymoron.
If you would prefer:

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Universal health care is a system that provides organized health coverage to all citizens of a governed region and is publicly funded through taxation. The health care systems under universal health care are built upon the principle of universal coverage for all members of society, by combining mechanisms for health financing and service provision.
Universal Health Care Law & Legal Definition

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a health insurance program in many countries other than the United States that is financed by taxes and administered by the government to provide comprehensive health care that is accessible to all citizens of that nation. (redirected from Universal health care)
Universal health care - definition of Universal health care in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

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Universal health care is a broad concept that can be structured and funded in various ways. The common factor for all universal health care programs is that they require some form of government involvement, whether it is through legislation, mandates, or regulation. The laws determine what type of care must be provided, to whom the care must be provided, and the basis for determining coverage.

In some universal health care programs the government may also manage the health care system, but in many instances the health care system uses both public and private health care providers.

Funding for universal health care is provided by the population, whether through compulsory health insurance, taxation, or a combination of both. Some health care costs may be paid by the patient and some health care costs may be covered by the universal health insurance program.
Universal Health Care

I suspect that people who don't care for any particular definition, or any definition at all, or who feign ignorance when asking what it is, already don't like universal health care, and no definition will change that.
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Old 08-15-2013, 06:26 AM
 
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Universal health care would include Ferengi and Klingons. naturally.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yet even their politicians prefer our health care.

"Top Canadian Politician Chooses U.S. Health Care"
Those with substantial financial resources often travel internationally for better treatment or medications not available in their own country. Some nations do a better job with certain procedures than others. The U.S. does not have the best outcomes for all treatments.

U.S. people also travel to Canada for medical treatment because it's substantially cheaper.
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