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Old 08-14-2013, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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anyone care to explain this phrase thrown around by LWNJ's? what does it even mean? no country has this.
Most countries have this. But only those that have made the moral choice that healthcare is a right.

"Universal health care" is a set of minimum standards for preventive, acute and chronic healthcare services that are available to all persons, funded by a common mechanism either public or private. Beyond that description they are as varied as the nations that have implemented them.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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To me, "Universal Health Care" means ZERO interference by government in the performance and trade of health care.
Anyone can treat anyone, without threat of prosecution.
No licenses. No permission slips (prescriptions).

The only function for government is to offer a public database where skilled practitioners can record their credentials.

Customers can sign waivers regarding criminal liability. And instead of malpractice lawsuits, institute "Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back!"
And nothing more.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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A wish-list item among leftist fanatics, where government takes money from those who earn it and either spends it directly on various govt-approved health insurance programs, or gives it in subsidies to people who did not earn it, ostensibly for them to purchase various govt-approved health insurance programs.
Gong.

About half of all the Universal Healthcare Systems in the world are privately run and funded.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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smacking yourself in the eye is not covered under "universal health care."
Sure it is.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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To me, "Universal Health Care" means ZERO interference by government in the performance and trade of health care.
Since healthcare as an industry is impervious to market forces, this is a prescription for a completely broken healthcare system that will quickly price many of not most people out of any access to healthcare services whatsoever.

Kind of like the one we have now. Except worse.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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The very definition of "universal" as in "universal healthcare" is that everyone has access to care.


What that means is that basic health care needs are met - vaccines, annual exams, dental work, etc.
No one is left at the mercy of an ER and the accompanying bills that will most likely get paid by those who are paying for insurance.


Is having access to the basics better or worse than having no access at all?

Or are you arguing that everyone should have access to Morton's Steak house?
Actually, dental work is not covered. Not here, anyway. It is only covered for kids, and not for things like braces.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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We already have Universal Health Care... its through private and non-private insurance... however what we have is people who buy and people who don't... when liberals talk about Universal Health Care, what they really mean is for people who don't buy AND buy, SPECIFIC other people will be force to buy for them...
And then there are the folk with preexisting conditions who do not have access to a group policy and are unable to acquire private insurance.

Many people seem to understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch or healthcare. The cost of healthcare today is, in part, what it is because the cost of uninsured and unable to pay, is baked into the cost.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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I'm mixed on this but I still have some questions. See, nothing is free and it seems those country's offering "universal" health care also have at least 15 to 20% more in tax. So based on a 50000 year income that is an extra 7500 to 10000 a year payed in taxes to cover that "free" health care. My premiums come to about 2000/year. why would I want to spend an extra 5500 to 7000 for the same coverage basically. So what if I have to pay a deductible. Most years I don't have to pay anything but premiums so I'll only be paying my 2000/year. Even with the issues I had this year with a heart attack and dialysis the most I'm paying this year is about 6000 incl my deductibles.

Now if our government would cut some spending, such as aid and weapons to country's that hate us and stop offering welfare for illegals perhaps that money could go into a version of universal health care such as a raise in income requirements for medicaid. As of now there is medicaid for the poor so the poor should not be whining. I was poor when I had cancer 15 years ago and with a little bit of WORK (something many don't want to do), the papers were filled out and all my operations at a first rate hospital and a years worth of chemo from a first rate cancer center was covered. It just took a little searching and a few phone calls. Not that hard.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Actually, dental work is not covered. Not here, anyway. It is only covered for kids, and not for things like braces.
Still better than nothing.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:49 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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Now if our government would cut some spending, such as aid and weapons to country's that hate us and stop offering welfare for illegals perhaps that money could go into a version of universal health care such as a raise in income requirements for medicaid. As of now there is medicaid for the poor so the poor should not be whining. I was poor when I had cancer 15 years ago and with a little bit of WORK (something many don't want to do), the papers were filled out and all my operations at a first rate hospital and a years worth of chemo from a first rate cancer center was covered. It just took a little searching and a few phone calls. Not that hard.
UK total healthcare spending per person - $3480
Public - $2919
Private - $561
Doctors per 10000 - 27.43
Life expectancy - 81.05

Australia total healthcare spending per person - $3441
Public - $2340
Private - $1101
Doctors per 10000 - 29.91
Life expectancy - 81.81

USA total healthcare spending per person - $8362
Public - $4437
Private - $3925
Doctors per 10000 - 24.22
Life expectancy - 78.37

The UK and Australia both have universal healthcare, and still manage to spend less on health than the US does (while both having better outcomes in most cases).
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