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Old 08-14-2013, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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requiring people to purchase health insurance has nothing to do with "health" and doesnt give you an improved level of "care"

the law should simply be called "the mandatory health insurance purchase act"

if the reason someone didnt have insurance is because they couldnt afford it, how is requiring you to purchase something you couldnt afford before even a logical idea

that is like oweing a credit card company $1000, you couldnt pay it and it gets charged off and the debt is sold to a bill collector... the bill collector then says "hey, you owe us $1500" so let me get this straight, you couldnt afford the $1000 debt, but now they think you can afford $1500?

also, is your current medical debt cancelled out?

and, if the idea is that "everyone participates" then NOONE no corporations (ie McDonalds or whoever) should get any kind of waiver or exemption

somehow people were/are convinced that their health would improve by an insurance law

look at it like this:

politicians, govt people, the "elite" all currently have cadillac health plans / after ACA they still have the same thing, the best doctors access to treatment etc

joe blow around the corner thats doing bad and is currently on medicaid / after ACA joe is STILL on medicaid (even if they call it something else)... in fact it will be worse for joe because there are more people on medicaid now then before so essentially "the line is longer"

i don't see any benefit... but of course this is just my stupid opinion

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and to add why on earth would a grown 26 year old "kid" need to be on thier parents insurance?

alot of 26 yr old are married and/or have a family and sometimes a mortgage...wtf!

"pre-existing conditions" didnt need an elaborate bill...everyone in the congress agrees on this to my understanding

but again... i am a moron with a stupid opinion
We are not talking about Obama care.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I drive a Mercedes. UHC is like the government saying "Sam, you don't need that fancy car while poor Fred here doesn't have any car and needs to get to work just as much as you do. So what we're going to do is use that money you pay for your car each month and get Fred a Kia, and Sam, you'll be driving a Kia also. There, everybody has transportation and everybody should be happy, right?"
There is not a universal healthcare system on the planet that resembles that simile.

UHC still lets anybody who can afford it drive their Mercedes.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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We spend so much and waste so much because of our multi-payer system, that we would free up an additional $416 billion a year just by moving to single payer. That would cover health insurance for every currently uninsured man, woman and child in the country with enough left over for frozen yogurt.

This is what opponent of UHC keep missing. We are already paying more than we need for universal healthcare. Right now.

And still... we're dying to young.
No other nation began with 50 state politically appointed insurance commissions with 50 different regulations.

We pay for this redundancy and the uninsured every time we consume healthcare.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:55 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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There is not a universal healthcare system on the planet that resembles that simile.

UHC still lets anybody who can afford it drive their Mercedes.
With UHC it's more like, the less well off can now afford a Mercedes, while you can trade in your merc and get a McLaren F1.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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With UHC it's more like, the less well off can now afford a Mercedes, while you can trade in your merc and get a McLaren F1.
Closer. Certainly.

But we don't even have a system where everybody gets shoes.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:59 PM
 
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I drive a Mercedes. UHC is like the government saying "Sam, you don't need that fancy car while poor Fred here doesn't have any car and needs to get to work just as much as you do. So what we're going to do is use that money you pay for your car each month and get Fred a Kia, and Sam, you'll be driving a Kia also. There, everybody has transportation and everybody should be happy, right?"

I like my Mercedes, worked hard to get it, and think that Fred can ride a bike if he needs to get to work.
Your analogy is completely skewed by the premise you have to pay more.

YOU'RE already paying over $8K for everyone's health care in the U.S. before you even went out and bought your own insurance!

You folks equate tax rates to someone paying while others are not. In a Universal system your tax rate is what determines what you've already paid with no additional payment required UNLESS you choose to have valet parking for your Mercedes at the clinic.

Cripes you're already paying for a plethora of systems that give different levels of care on a "social contract" (notice I shied away from use of socialist) basis, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA are all a form of universal systems and couple that with welfare and food stamps etc, universal education, Social Security, etc., you've already accepted the "universal" premise in more areas than many of the countries currently providing it.

Why is it that you can accept Fred having a personal tax rate lower than yours to provide all those other social contract items to folks less fortunate thn you but when it comes to healthcare derived in exactly the same manner you draw the line and resort to characterizing Fred who is working and paying taxes as not paying his share to drive his chevy.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Universal healthcare is anyone on the planet can come here and have children and they will be covered by universal healthcare, that includes all aliens too .. illegal and from the universe . Obama doesn't want to discriminate and leave anyone out.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Universal healthcare is anyone on the planet can come here and have children and they will be covered by universal healthcare, that includes all aliens too .. illegal and from the universe . Obama doesn't want to discriminate and leave anyone out.
Well, we can see that somebody hasn't paying attention in class.



I mean seriously, what normal person tries to hijack a UHC thread to whine about illegal aliens?
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:16 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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I mean seriously, what normal person tries to hijack a UHC thread to whine about illegal aliens?
There aren't too many normal people here; the Mars exploration thread got hijacked to complain about liberals. Reason? It's known as the 'red planet'.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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Well, we can see that somebody hasn't paying attention in class.



I mean seriously, what normal person tries to hijack a UHC thread to whine about illegal aliens?
It was a simple point to grasp. The countries with UHC don't have open border policies otherwise it's unsustainable.
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